The worst Ive seen was Goldeneye for the Wii. They somehow managed to make it look worse than the N64 version in the ad.

Have a read of this [u[url=http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-08-24-why-microsoft-wont-publish-psn-firsts?comment_start=100article[/url[/u



It's an interesting piece about Microsoft's demands on publishers of retail and downloadable titles. It would be nice to hear what other people make of it. Personally, I think it's slightly hypocritical, but being a PS3 owner I may be slightly biased

It's a very biased article. As someone in the comments points out before all the Sony fanboys start flaming away is that all Microsoft says is that it 'may refuse' and reserves the right to. It's no different a policy to Sony's, you can bet on that. It's just that no one has written an article about that yet.



If there was a third party game on PSN that was groundbreaking and exclusive you can bet Microsoft wouldn't enforce the policy. It's only to stop developers thinking they can go to Sony for the upfront money for the exclusive and then expect to release it later on Live. If anything it's a good policy because it forces developers to weigh up the economic balance between getting the money for exclusivity or getting a bigger slice of pie from having it on PSN and Live. Sony will be the same, if a developer is negotiating exclusivity with Microsoft on a key title they will make all kind of threats in an effort to avoid that scenario.

But that is exactly what happens now with Microsoft's timed exclusives, which was the point I was making.

Off the top of my head, the only third party title on the PS3 and not 360 I can think of is Trine.

It's a competitive market. Microsoft are competing with Sony. Sony will make similar threats and it's up to developers to weigh up the commercials with each game.



Live is such a goldmine for publishers that Sony would have to pay a lot of money for it to be feasible. To add to that PSN isn't as much of a focus to Sony as Live is to MS, so the lack of exclusives in arcade games is understandable. Most AAA games now are focused on the online capability and have sold better on the Xbox because of Live's superiority over PSN. So exclusives will be rarer and more expensive given the size of the user base you'd be missing out on.



But yeah, to answer your original question it is hypocritical and selfish. They want the exclusives for themselves and want to deny Sony quality exclusives. But that's just business right?

Quote Roddy B="Roddy B"I was saying this stuff months ago, it's why I stopped playing it. I can win on any level with ease, the problem is, you have to do the same old crap to win. You can't play a slow possession game, you can't dribble past numerous players or break a team down, there's only two ways to score from open play, and this is them: 1) Through ball/lobbed through ball behind the defence when they're playing high up, if your attacker has enough space between him and their defender, you'll get in a good position and score (assuming the defender hasn't pulled your shirt for 30 yards our outpaced you, even if your sprint speed stat is 94 and theirs is 62). 2) By closing them down without pressing the 'press/close down' button, i.e. nicking it off their defender, breaking away (assuming you're not on the floor due to weird rag doll physics) and putting it in the goal. Those really are the only two ways to score on Fifa when playing any level above semi-pro. Forget using skill or playing nice football, every game is a constant grind.'" Not completely true, pal. www.ea.com/uk/football/videos/ugc/91432312

Quote Roddy B="Roddy B"I was saying this stuff months ago, it's why I stopped playing it. I can win on any level with ease, the problem is, you have to do the same old crap to win. You can't play a slow possession game, you can't dribble past numerous players or break a team down, there's only two ways to score from open play, and this is them: 1) Through ball/lobbed through ball behind the defence when they're playing high up, if your attacker has enough space between him and their defender, you'll get in a good position and score (assuming the defender hasn't pulled your shirt for 30 yards our outpaced you, even if your sprint speed stat is 94 and theirs is 62). 2) By closing them down without pressing the 'press/close down' button, i.e. nicking it off their defender, breaking away (assuming you're not on the floor due to weird rag doll physics) and putting it in the goal. Those really are the only two ways to score on Fifa when playing any level above semi-pro. Forget using skill or playing nice football, every game is a constant grind.'" Not completely true, pal. www.ea.com/uk/football/videos/ugc/91432312

Quote 100% Wire="100% Wire"Not completely true, pal. www.ea.com/uk/football/videos/ugc/91432312'" It's not true at all. FIFA is a quality game and with a bit of skill you can score on the highest difficulty level. But there are AI shortcuts to enhancing the difficulty levels that make it very frustrating. Having said that FIFA12 is pre-ordered. Gold packs r us on the way. Just hope I get Messi in them and not Jason Puncheon and Tony Hibbert like I usually do.

Quote 100% Wire="100% Wire"Not completely true, pal. www.ea.com/uk/football/videos/ugc/91432312'" It's not true at all. FIFA is a quality game and with a bit of skill you can score on the highest difficulty level. But there are AI shortcuts to enhancing the difficulty levels that make it very frustrating. Having said that FIFA12 is pre-ordered. Gold packs r us on the way. Just hope I get Messi in them and not Jason Puncheon and Tony Hibbert like I usually do.

Anyone else pre-ordered FIFA12? Xbox gamertag is busngabb if anyone wants to add me in preparation for your disection when it's released.



(Anyone who is half decent need not apply as I'm terrible).

Why is FIFA's RRP £55?



And what is the special edition?

Standard RRP for any game is £49.99. FIFA 12s is £54.99 because of the special edition pre-order.







The special editions are where you get the game plus either 18 or 24 gold Ultimate Team Packs. You get these to download 3 or 4 per month for the next six months.



Ultimate Team gold packs cost 80MS points on FIFA 11. So if the prices are the same that's 1440 (or 1920) MS points you get with the special edition. Which at £0.85 per 100 points equates to a £12.24 saving for the 18 pack edition or a £16.32 saving for the 24 pack edition.



I think the special edition is pre-order only? I might be wrong on that.

Order it off shopto.net. Its cheaper, and you get it the day before it goes on general release most of the time.

Been playing the PES demo today and I'm actually really enjoying it. It's not perfect, but by heck it's a lot more realistic than Fifa. Crisp passing, good control with time and space to pick out the run and weight the pass up. Real deflections and tackling reactions, proper balance physics with pace and strength being reflective of stats. It seems a really good game and I've enjoyed playing the demo so far



The only flaw so far is the long shooting, which actually seems a bit too good for now, I've scored a few stormers which the 'keeper should have got to, maybe it's a problem with the goalkeeping?



The thing that has impressed me the most has been the way everything seems responsive and 'real'. In Fifa, if you have a shot that the defender blocks, the majority of the time, he will just control it as though it was a soft pass, or the ball will deflect straight to a player. On PES, you have things like 50/50s, you have true deflections and the header I scored before was really reflective of the difference between the two games. I put an out-swinging corner into the box, my player who was running across the penalty spot jumped in the air and just steered the ball into the top corner. It was no running power header, it was like a real goal, using the pace of the ball and steering it in. On Fifa, you simply don't score goals like that, as all headed goals are power headers where you've got the march on the defender.



As I was saying, so far I'm impressed. The game seems to have good physics and balance, whilst it isn't perfect to look at or listen to (is there really no commentary?), in terms of gameplay, it's really strong. Only problem is, IMO, it seems to be made for the arcades, which is kind of understandable with it being Japanese, but for those that aren't after that and want the casual style of Fifa, then PES probably isn't for you.