Crawling out of the cracks now aren't they?

never got started, we started poorly and lost the ( as coaches call it) arm wrestle in the first half.....



Sherwin and Chase wrapped round on either side and looked short of someone to pass to (McGoldrick)....



Poor show today, we were due a defeat for the fluke win we got against the Dulls.



Big one on Monday for both teams - Wire and us would have targetted 2 points from this weekend.



Oh, and well played Wakey for playing the game and the conditions better than us, best team won definitely.

Have you ever visited the planet earth mate

WRE

As has been said, Wakey played the conditions better today. We had very little control over the football and although both teams started off making errors, Wakey adapted and we didn't.



Wakey also had a greater desire to win, especially after they got their noses in front and we seemed to lose the will after we realised that our efforts were not reaping the usual rewards.



I do think that we missed McGoldrick in the link up with the half backs, but that wasn't the reason we lost. We simply didn't adapt to the wet conditions.



Hopefully we can get back on track on Monday against Wire, but that will also be a tough game (despite their league position and results so far).

I had feeling we'd lose this one, wakey always raise there game against us, especially now they have so many ex cas players in there team.



What we have to do now, is get back in the saddle and play like we know we can against warrignton.

What about all the ex-Wakefield players in the Cas team - Hudson, Feather, Wainwright, Evans, Ferres. Obviously doesn't get them 'up for it'

Not saying that i said in general wakey raise they're game against us, what i said about the players was in addition.



As an aside did ferres play today.

Bless!

league>union. jelly wrestling>league.

Maybe not.

It'll soon be July

I'm trying to work this one out, you mean Blanch, Brough and Sculthorpe? Didn't you only have them all for a year - not really property of Cas are they

We really need some perspective on this.



Yeah we were well and truly outplayed last night, Wakefield played the conditions much better than we did, and defended their line well, We missed Jones Ferres and McGoldrick as I'm not sure about anyone else's thoughts but I feel MecGoldricks enthusiasm rubs off on the others and lifts our game.



But if at the start of the season someone had said to us that from our first 8 games we'd have five wins we would have been over the moon. This was a bad day at the office every team will have them (yeah wakey even you) but it's not the end of our season. So get back behind the team turn up on Monday and cheer the boys on

I think this just about sums it up for me, I've posted some of these points on the other board.



It's also worth noting that we only had Dean Widders for 15 minutes or so. I think we'd have gone better with Boyle playing too, but for whatever reason TM thinks Massey is a better option. Not sure I agree with him there at all.



I also believe the conditions last night were completely detrimental to our style of play and we didn't really attempt to deal with that and change our play, rather we attempted to battle against them and carry on regardless, a battle which we ultimately lost. The amount of lost ball in the first half was horrendous.



Full credit to Wakey, they took us apart, and whilst I think 35-6 was fair in that we ultimately got what we deserved, I don't think it was a true reflection of the sides. When the players heads went down, Wakey turned the screw and really stuck it to us and we didn't seem too interested for the last 15.

I don't get that sorry.

We come to Belle Vue - summer rugby hmm rain we can't adapt to but good conditions we're well suited

the conditions were the same for both teams, kears rotations were spot on. after half an hour doubled up off the bench with sculthorpe and drew, 2 mins later we scored. you were out thought, out muscled, out enthused and out played in every part of the pitch. thought westerman and sarge were poor. best of luck with wire.

Michael, chill out. No one is saying that the conditions weren't the same for both sides. What we are saying is, that our team (Cas) can't play in crap conditions. When the sun is shining and the pitch is perfect we're world beaters and fancy our chances against anyone. I haven't read anywhere where a Cas fan has said we deserved to win because it was plainly obvious Wakey were the better team and can play in crap conditions.

We're not bad on a dry pitch in the sunshine ourselves.

I keep having this argument about the conditions and whilst I have to agree they were the same for both teams, even before the kick of I said I was worried that the conditions wouldn't be in out favour. They were of course bad for both teams, but I feared that we wouldn't handle as well as Wakey and that proved to be the case.

We were beaten by the better side on the night, that's beyond dispute and the tactical awareness of JK, who has done his homework on us, but we did still blew a number of chances in that first half that might have changed the complexion of the game.

Still think you're hot at the minute!

I agree and that is fundamentally what I'm saying. We are a marginally better side (and SL is a very marginal thing) because seem to be able to adapt this year, don't forget you are the fourth team we have beaten by a 20 point margin this season with tries scored mainly from the backline.



The difference for me comes down to options and it stuns me none of the pundits have noticed this. Cas and a number of other teams have a couple of playmakers, you have three IMO in Hudson, Shirwin and McGoldrick.



Now look at Wakefield. Yesterday we had, Martin, Drew, Obst and Brough - that is twice as many options as you had - and I feel when Drew came on it showed and then it showed again when Brough re-joined the fray. It only takes one to fire to win a game as it happens Drew and Obst were stand outs in this game.



Further to that not even in the 17 were Latu, Rooney and Grix. Now I'm not saying individually these guys are the best, but it gives us options, it gives us a chance to pick on form and above all it keeps pressure on players to perform.



Kears philosophy seems to be that you need playmakers first, then a pack then the fancy dan backs. Without playmakers and enough of them you can't change the game to suit the situation, without a pack of course you can't give the halves the space they need.



You can see it in ours squad, the only backs to arrive with a reputaion were Petterson, Martin and Blanch the rest are all bargain buys and homegrown.



Not so with the halves, they all came ready made apart from Grix and we have plenty of them.



Now before you think I'm getting ahead of myself I'm not. I don't think we are vastly better than you and on any given day you could reverse the result, or that we are likely to win SL I'm not that daft or up myself. I just think we have a far better team than we get credit for and the way it was constructed is an object lesson in how to use your resources. That's not to say it won't go t*ts up, that is the thing with sport anything can happen and we are as vulnerable as the next.



There are terific things happening at Cas and SL in general IMHO as well but you need to runs before you can walk and it's taken us 3 years to get to here (here is pretty fragile place all the same). We now have a backbone of players who have been with us a while now, you have not quite got that yet for obvious reason and I think it makes a difference. We will only know how much about August time

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Are you serious ???

why we still talking bout this game, we've got an other one to think about in a couple of days.