Apologies, I swore we played Catalan though the SKY coverage begs to differ. I should have sad progress.

Never a truer word said!

I really think you don't get me on Westerman.



I want to see British players forced to fight for the right to be superstars. Not because I'm mean but because it's the way to create players with character. If it all comes to Westerman (or any player) too soon and too easy they are finished IMHO.



You end up with players who become complacent and just do what gets them by. Some realise late in their careers that they have not achieved what they should but it's usually too late.



I want to see him struggle to get noticed in a unfashionable team and I want him to gain that strength of character that will see him become a true International standard player. He won't get it IMHO if it all comes to him at this point. Not being picked is the best thing that could happen to him, especially if England win and Shenton comes back telling him just how great it was - that is motivation in my book



I want to see Westerman and or other players have to fight like hell to get that England jersey. I don't care which one actually gets it so long as he earns it.



It's not Westeman it could be any player he just happen to be the one who psparked me off on this issue - it's a general over hyping of young British players in recent years that bugs me. It has ruined careers before they started. I can understand why Cas fans do it that is part of being a fan of your team. However for some reason this seem to lead to TV pundits, journos and so called experts jumping on the bandwagon. Many bigging up a player they had barely seen play. It was really stupid and Westerman deserves credit for not going off the rails such was the stupidity.



It was Eddie "the idiot" Hemmings who suggested Wsterman as Captain by the way. How credible his opinion is I'm not sure.



Enough waffle - enjoy your day.

We've been getting you on Westy from day 1 TBH.



The problem is, that's where you should have left it. You are causing lots of unnecessary attention to be focused on the lad by your one-man crusade.



I think in general most people would agree with the sentiment of players having to work for recognition, but not with the fact that each time he is mentioned on his own club's forum, we get vasty's four pennorth never mentioning anything new and generally making yourself a laughing stock, as you did with the playoff cock-up.



Westy's not played in the series for England. He's being left out. He hasn't got the silver spoon in his mouth. We like him and we're going to big him up because he plays for us - just like you were bigging up "thrush" in your earlier post.



Now, in the name of all that's good, give it a rest. We're sick of the same old story time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and again.



Thanks

I think Georgie's pin has got stuck.

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A very sensible post Vasty, but you couldn't leave Dale Fergurson out could you, you little rascal?

who is this dale ferguson i keep reading about... i havent ever heard of a waky player called that, is he any good???

Is this not a forum for debate, go on listen to the opinion of others - you may enjoy it and perhaps eventually it will ecourage you to go out and meet real people. Go on admit I always make a good point, if Ididn't you wouldn't bother to reply, and reply, and reply...........

Oh god, your as predicatable as the HMRC,

It is, although I would take issue with debate being the same opinion repeated time and again about Joe Westerman.







Well shucks, you got me there. You're right, of course, I'm a complete social inadequate with no time for anyone else's opinions and no friends. Georgie-no-mates would be my nickname if there was anyone to call me that. Great insight and wisdom - as well as a thorough knowledge of your subject matter. This is what we've come to expect from you vasty. Well done.









And I see my little wind-up got the expected bite again. Some folks can't see beyond the obvious!