Thursday will be messy for sure , we have no structure . Everyone knew we needed an organising Stand off or Scrum Half . The pack seems lightweight and our tactic of taking 2 points when it would have been our 4th set of six on their line and them cream crackered beggared belief . We are lightyears away from Cas and Wigan plus Wire when Brown plays . Hull despite not being great will probably be 4th . The only improvement from last season is fitness and attitude and that only takes you so far . I was hoping for 5th place because of the poor standard of Super league now it is more likely 6th or 7th . The loss to a poor Saints team was a good indicator to that . No way should a club as big as Leeds not be challenging for top four (and no i do not believe we have a devine right to win everything) .

apart from naming saints, who are worse than us!!!, I agree with that.

saints and us have the same problem, a coach who can't coach

Saints do have a poor coach tad, but they are way ahead of us. They at least have the plays and players who are capable. I am more than confident they will be In the top four regardless.

Correct Tad and as much as i want Leeds to win , sneaking a win against a moderate side at home keeps him in a job

I've said this before to you too Gotcha but i don't see Saints in much of a different boat to us to be honest, i certainly don't see them as any more than a fringe contender.

Personally i think we are way off top 4 as long as this Coaching regime remains in place.

As it stands we are back to where we were before Powell took over in that we need a clear out some quality signings & our very best u19's getting games/Coached & intergtated ready for a challenge in 12mths time.

We need to take those two penalty points when on offer as we have no one to kick conversions. So we are losing a massive amount of points.

Just can not agree , it is a desperate tactic that shows how quickly and how far we have declined and sends out a bad message to the opposition . In my opinion the only time this season we should have gone for two was at Saints with 50 seconds to go in the first half .

I completly agree with you mate it really does show how far we have fallen, that even with players like Watkins,Hall, Briscoe and Moon we are not confident enough to go for it.



But the way we are at the moment with no attacking structure or kicker we need to get points on the board and hope we can hold out.



We never get the 6 points so two penalties is as good as a try.

I suggest that'll be the target, not that we are close, not that we are there.



For the few who therefore can't understand how I can on a seperate thread pick Leeds for a top 4 finish then....



2016 Regular season points scored



11 - Wigan - 455

12 - Leeds - 404



Wigan had the 2nd lowest scoring attack last regular season, were consistently in the top 4 because they weren't conceding many.

Someone posted (SP?): Good performances from Parcell, Keinhorst and Golding the rest distinctly average.



I thought that Hall was way better than average, how many other wingers would have scored our first try?

Briscoe though continues to disappoint, maybe time to give Handley a game?

A draw would probably have been a fair result especially since our last try was from at least one blatantly forward pass.

I guess though speedy PTBs give the officials less time to get nto position & that's what happened in this instance.

Thursday's upcoming game will provide much better evidence as to where we are this year.

Intimating does suggest we are there or close!! but semantics is your way of avoiding having to say yes that is what I said. How the style of 2015 can be an aspiration without a player of Sinfield's ability and attack management skills defies any kind logic but you are entitled to your opinion

Quote Gotcha="Gotcha"You had us down to finish 6th, and behind Saints and Cas mate, which would back up the point I made. You would be in the majority who would have expected three wins.'" Well, one of us is wrong about what I predicted viewtopic.php?f=17&t=601590&start=40 And it ain't me.

Quote Gotcha="Gotcha"You had us down to finish 6th, and behind Saints and Cas mate, which would back up the point I made. You would be in the majority who would have expected three wins.'" Well, one of us is wrong about what I predicted viewtopic.php?f=17&t=601590&start=40 And it ain't me.

Nothing with semantics, I just didn't say what you re trying to twist it into. Again I pointed out PATIENCE will be needed wrt to the attack, last time I checked patience doesn't exactly mean close or already there.



And Sinfield wasn't vital to us picking up points regularly in the league in 2015 and we won away (and well) at places like Cas and Catalans without him and he came off the bench when we'd already stormed ahead at Saints.



Where his lost will be felt from that year is the key crunch games at the back end like playoff and cup semis etc.

We won't miss him then as we will not be involved in those games

Sal Paradise in making stuff up shocker!

Only on SouthStander can you say "patience may be needed" and then be accused of saying we are already there.

Yep and it's always one of the same few posters, who still persist even when their mistake's been pointed out to them by multiple posters over several pages.

Very unusual last night Leeds played for a long period in the second half with 9 backs on the field and only two props, could this be a winning formula?

no its macdermotts crackpot approach

The same crackpot that has won 3 GF's, 2 CC's, 1 WCC and 1 LLS???



Meanwhile all us on SouthStander have won how many of those trophies???

How many trophies or even good performances have been seen since Sinfield and Peacock left ?.

How many obvious holes in the team has he filled ? Why can't he fix any of the issues that have plagued us since the start of life after said players ?.



Yes, the players have to take some responsibility and some of the efforts at times have been woeful but so does the coach.

Random dropping of performing fringe players for crocked favourite's, bizarre bench use, chopping and changing HB pairings weekly, sending away our best organiser and goal kicker, having no attacking structure week after week etc etc.



Every one knew where we were weak and it's lucky Golding and Parcell are playing well or we would be even worse off. The fact is we need a goal kicking organiser at #7, one or both of jjb or Delaney needs to be moved on and we need to decide which of Mags,Burrow or Sutty will go as ATM we have too many 6s with broadly the same skill set.

We should be getting early good ball to our outside backs at pace, not flat passes at a standstill pace which kills players like Watkins and Moon.

spot on. some people live in the past though

Anyone have an idea why we had 9 backs on? It absolutely bewildered me

How many chances has he had? 1 season, we didn't win anything in 2010 or 2013 when Sinfield and Peacock were running everything.







Since the end of 2010??? Look at the different lineups for the 2009 GF and the 2015 GF.







Last year was a write off, if anybody thinks it would be fine losing our preseason and training ground if Sinfield was still here is deluded.







I'm not for second saying he hasn't performed as well as possible....but name one coach that has? We're talking about 3 rounds of a season where we've still won 2 out 3......and yes people may not like it but 2016 you just can't take as normal because of the preseason.







But these issues were there in previous years when Sinfeild was doing ALL the coaching???







So when players play well it's pure luck and all on those players.....when players play sh*te it's because of McDermott....got it.







This could be copy and pasted from February 2015......you know when Sinfield was coaching the team.