I still can’t believe that some Leeds fans are happy to “compete” or “put in a performance” when we need to win a game for a measly 6th place play off spot. Can you imagine the same rhetoric in February after signing 3 players from the NRL, the Superleague Man Of Steel and pinching a top hooker from another club ? Everybody’s different, but I think some Leeds fans have become conditioned to accepting not even second best but the possibility of better times in the future. How the mighty have fallen.

I don’t honk we are necessarily happy with it, but it is where we are at right now so it’s realistic. Of course we will have a completely different view at the start of a season, and next season it will be with good reason if BA is still here and has had input into signings and a preseason with the group. We are reaping the rewards of a long list of poor management decisions over a lot of years. That’s not something to be happy about.

It's a sensible and pragmatic approach to adjust very short term expectations to match the reality of a situation. Demonstrating progress comes in different forms. Does that mean a lack of ambition or lower medium to longer term expectations. Of course it doesn't. Having said all of that, I'm sure all concerned are acutely aware that the constant promises of jam tomorrow are wearing thinner by the week.

There's a difference between giving an objective assessment on the likely result of a game, and being " conditioned to accepting not even second best". There's nothing mighty (and never has been) about being a fan. The clubs success/failure is not ours. I'll be going to the game in the hope that we maintain or improve last week's encouraging performance, win or lose, and that in turn we can build momentum for the rest of the season and more importantly next year. If you want to rant and rave about how terrible it all is I guess thats your perogative, but I think it's waste of your energy.

People are not allowed to have a POV on this forum only the special know it alls. He's quite right in my opinion any player worth their salt won't go on the field thinking they will lose.

Are you one of those? It seems to me that people who like to complain about not been allowed to have a POV, tend to be the ones who express their own most freely and repetitvely. Who said anything about players going on to the field expecting to lose? By the way, what's your view on Walters progress at Wigan? I recall you had some very forthright opinions on his departure.

'You cant say anything these days!'...You just said it though, what you mean is you dont like people disagreeing with you.

Hmmm, your’s is an opinion and mine is “ranting and raving”? Being happy about losing or just being competitive is not an objective assessment on the likely outcome of the game, it’s accepting second best against one of your rivals. We’re not London Bronco’s if you hadn’t noticed. If you pay a sparky to come into your home and the house burns down a couple of weeks later due to shoddy work ultimately it’s a failure for you. If you get a good guy and everything is hunky dory it’s a success for you. I don’t see how when a speccie pays good money to his club and they fail miserably the failure is not felt by the spectator, of course it is. My comment “how the mighty have fallen” was relating to the club, however your opinion that fans are not mighty couldn’t be further from the truth. Fans make or break a club, and if they all walk away there’s no club. If I see a bloke walking down Elland Road wearing a Leeds shirti in a few hours grinning like a madman when we’ve only lost by 12 points and “built a bit of momentum” I”ll know who it is.

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Miller

Fusi

Momorivski

Newman

Handley



Sinfield

Frawley



Lisone

Ackers

Sangare

McDonnell

Martin

Smith



Bentley, TNW, Donaldson, O'Connor

Decent performances on show from Leyland then Farrimond. Can Sinfield follow, can we establish enough territory and posession to give him and Frawley a platform.

They should penalise teams for holding the ball in the scrum.

No issues with the mistakes we’ve made so far, they are commitment mistakes rather than lack of commitment mistakes. There’s a big difference.