fantastic post mark

Can't fault Saints.some excellent plays.



Just frustrated with usual issues. Silly penalty/ cards, poor last tackle options,lost ball etc.

We aren’t a million miles off, although it might feel like it after two heavy defeats to Saints.



Myler, Tom Briscoe, Sutcliffe, Gale, Dwyer and Mellor are all going to be under pressure from younger players next year.



To be fair I think a few other sides will improve next season too. I hope our lads get a decent mental and physical break, and I hope Gale, Sezer and others heal up fully… then we need a serious pre-season.

Agree. Reallly curious to know how Sezer's injury is coming along. It would be great to start the season with a full squad, or there abouts.

We’re still a couple of good players short of being a GF potential team imo. Need a gun outside back and replace King.

To do what we did between 2004 and 2017 sucked the life out of the club and it will take a while to recover from that. It's highly possible that if we hadn't lost McGuire and Peacock at the end of 2010 we would be looking at 6 straight GF wins, 5 out of 6 in that period is hardly "bad" though. But it's come at a cost. Key players in key positions simply haven't been replaced with anything even close to similar quality and those players stretching their careers and retiring in a short space of time has been very difficult to deal with.

We are "steady" now. No chance of disaster and clearly playoff potential and competitive to a certain degree.

I don't see enough of this team and the guys coming through to know where the future lies and what it could look like but I do know it needs to get better. How that is done is beyond me. I can't see where players could come from, where we get two high quality halves from, where we get real leadership from, where we get brains and where we get genuinely terrifying strike runners.



A lot of the players in this years squad will be long gone before we really become title contenders I think.

I almost talked myself into seeing a possibility of a Leeds win. You're obviously short in the HBs, a winger & a big back rower. But I think the main difference is the intensity Saints have played at most of the season. It's a different sort of controlled aggression to that which Wane instilled at Wigan. I don't see Agar having that in his coaching. It will be interesting to see what Powell can do with a blank cheque book at Wolfs.

Missed the game on Friday due to work commitments and havent been able to bring myself to watch it and probably won't.

Stopped reading the posts on this thread as I can't accept either the doom and gloom or we are not good enough diarreaoh.

We have played most of this yeart with 1 or 0 halfbacks. Got 2 good ones in for next year and if we have any of them on the field at the same time they will make a huge difference. Almost all teams have had injury or covid issues to deal with but I don't think any have had to deal with them in such critical, pivotal positions as we have. Maybe the exception of Huddersfield.

The kids have shown tonnes of promise and hopefully will only get better. Like most i think we need a prop for next year.

I was underwhellmed when we appointed Agar coach and have been pleasantly surprised ever since. For me he has credit in the bank on keeping the job and look forward to a decent run in an uncomplicated season

Looking forward to the GF and hope Cats can do a number on Saints, all I want to see is a showpiece final whoever wins

What Saints also seem to able to do is keep their young players who are 23/24 before they get a regular spot in the team. Seldom do you see players younger than that playing more than the odd game - Lees/Bentley/Knowles are all 23/24 - Welsby is the exception. Overseas recruitment is on a different level

All good points well made.



Lets take Saints out of the equation tho, our development as a team isnt at Saints' level at this stage. We have been down the bottom of the league for a few years recently. Leeds' 1st aim was to steady, then grow and be more consistent and produce young talent. We are doing that i think. We arent at Saints' level yet and its wrong to compare us with that tho they are clearly the benchmark



Next year we have a top 4, maybe top 2, squad. Weve a lot of highly talented kids developing, far better than any other club in this country, far better. Think about this, in 5 years time Gannon will be only 22, Mikolaj, Cam, Harry, Tommy will be just starting to reach their prime and theres many others Broadbent, Corey etc so Leeds are in a very strong position. The likes of Wigan, Warrington dont have our talent pool and the junior talent pool is drying up.



Our aim next year shouldnt be to beat Saints it should be to target a top 3 finish. We are doing ok. But if we are full strength we wouldnt win at Saints very often but we are capable of beating the rest now and we are still developing as a group.

Still a lot of unknowns in terms of how the youngsters develop imo. There are never any guarantees.

Agreed but the likes of Mikolaj, Newman, Cam, Gannon, Holroyd, Broadbent are all playing in SL to a high standard and are all very young. We are a top 4 squad next year i think. Saints are a level above the rest but we can match the rest I feel.



We are on the right path.