Watch the game back if you can suffer it and count again, he definitely did 9.



I'm not saying they were effective but there was 9 not very effective carries.

I wish I knew. It's utterly baffling. It frustrates the hell out of me.

Well I'm supportive when they do well and when Mose did over 150 m I think it was against Huddersfield, I said the BOOM had arrived.



Well the Boom arrived and it seems like it was all noise.



Not seen the game but those stats. Not one forward made over 100m. Mose made almost half that.



Aweful just aweful and only 11 tackles with 3 of them misses?



Roby made more tackles than nearly every forward made meters.

Assisted it seems by Thompson.



Not sure if I'll watch the game, but quite frankly that's poor in anyones book.



Lets look at a very poor team.

London - several forwards tipping close to 100m in their last loss. Tackling more evenly distributed.



Or another team that took a hammering



Widnes- 70's, 60's and 90's not impressive but at least showing some fight despite being on the end of a hammering. The tackling again evenly distributed.







To me that shows even if a team is not very good or having a bad day, they can still put in an effort. Our had a bad day, were not very good and put in little effort.



Also a back on the bench??? Why have we gone down that road again. Ok it was needed, but by then the game was gone anyway.

I also think this gimmick of Wellens trying to be a forward needs to stop. 13 tackles and 30m for a loose forward is embarrassing.

CAn't even write properly now.



Got to feel for those who watched it.



Those who went to France must be steaming.

Looks like the blame is fairly evenly distributed amongst all the players.



Not one player seems to have had a stand out performance, which makes me conclude it was/is an attitude problem

Well, Robes will get his rest.



He and Walmsley have both been charged with Grade B offences, so that's a one match ban for both with an EGP. Unless Walmsley was banned earlier in the season? I can't remember whether he got a ban or was injured.

Had a chance to look through. A couple of points to be made on this one. As a team:



1) 16 errors. 16. In 30odd degree heat, we come up with 16 errors. I'm a little in disbelief at this, it's quite frankly ridiculous. In a game where ball retention is key we hand it over easily so often and wonder what went wrong. It's not even like it was 1 person had a shocker either, it was across the board.



2) hand in hand with 1) a total tackle count of 371 is our second highest of the year (only vs Leeds at LP did we tackle more with 401) - doing more defensive work in the heat is always going to cost you at the end of the game. That said, 371 is only the upper end of average for super league as a whole, and even in the heat it can hardly be called a huge effort. It raises serious questions over whether fitness is an issue (especially when you consider 2 players made around 25% of the tackles for us!)



3) as I said, nobodies stats are particularly great, but none of them are particularly bad either. If I was forced to pull players out, Manu, walmsley and jones would probably where I point the finger. That said, they all have in common the fact they've been out for the last few weeks - was it a mistake bringing so many back for the game considering it was in the heat?



4) talking of which, what the frock was the point of Percival on the bench?



5) looking at roby's stats for a minute. This is the 5th time Roby has made more than 50 tackles this season, we've lost 3 of them. I believe that's more than coincidence - WE HAVE TO FIND AN INTERCHANGE FOR ROBY!



6) I find this team so incredibly frustrating, more so than any saints team I have ever watched I think. I believe that we have the quality to make a real push this year. Yet time and time again attitude/ choking let us down. I still believe we can win it, but week on week who knows what team will turn up - is there a more Jekyll and Hyde team than us at the moment ever in superleague? (Of course this may change in the next 2 weeks) - I'm incredibly frustrated though coming into 2 really big games, we could of had a comfortable cushion to help us through and we squandered it so pitifully. Is it coaching? Is it an attitude problem in camp? I just don't understand.



7) Thompson should be immune to all criticism this week. Incredible effort for a guy so young in the pack - if only more could emulate him.

Great shout - love this lad's approach.

I agree completely. He's impressed me every time he has played.

Do you not think that was part of Catalans game plan.?

Make him really work and then get at him when he has the ball. It takes a lot away from Saints if you stop the scoot/sniping dummy half runs.



Do you Masoe rather than Manu?

11 tackles 3 misses and 51 metres is poor.

I don't worry about opponents tactics - if we had someone to rotate roby with, Catalans or anyone else, wouldn't be able to have it as a tactics. Control your controllables and all that

reminds me though- you might know, did wheeler ever play any junior rugby at hooker?



Masoes stats aren't great no (noones are) but 3 errors and 2 penalties take the biscuit for Manu!

I've just watched Superleague Fulltime on Sky.



We missed more tackles than any other team in Superleague this round.



We made the second highest number of errors in any Superleague team of this round, and that includes the Wakey v London match played in a monsoon (both those teams missed only 14 tackles each and made half of our errors).



We were as shocking as we thought we were!

I genuinely can't think of too many display as bad in my 20+ years watching Saints. We weren't in the contest at all, our forwards got completely owned and we could still be playing now and we'd have nil points.



I thought Warrington at Magic would be a turning point for us but ultimately it wasn't and because of it I have very little faith in this team & coaching staff to deliver success especially when Kyle Amor is unavailable.

He was always a 6 or 7 at Blackbrook. Not 100% sure on his academy days but I don't think he played 9.

As the person who also only counted 5 carries for Masoe, can I ask if in the 9 carries included the times he got the ball ran a couple of yards and passed it behind him to one of the other players?



I personally don't regard that as a carry as he isn't hitting the defensive line. Otherwise the halves would all have huge carry stats.

Shame, i think he could of been a circular peg to fit a square hole, at least until the end of the season. One things for certain, hohaia and Walsh should be our halves for as often as possible this season, which leaves no where for wheeler ...

I have only ever seen him play at #6 or centre. My comments on him are well recorded, but they were always based on his reputation at junior level. I never saw anything in him at academy level to believe the hype. Just to square the circle I thought the same about Paul McShane and Brett Robinson.

No, I don't think so. I believe the carries are similar to the Australian 'hit up' whereby the ball is taken into contact.

If so then it was 5 carries.

We see his talent at least 3 times a season....

He's got some smashing talent and has shown it at SL level, but since he can never string the games together, we can never judge whether he could perform consistently.



As for playing him hooker, how many minutes do you think he'll last there before something falls off him?

I think you're being genereous by suggesting he shows his talent 3 times a season. I reckon I've seen him have just 3 good games in his Saints career.

not too sure about that one mate, and i was one of his biggest fans

It may seem that way to some, but that's because he isn't getting a proper run at 6 or 7 but do you not remember the Warrington game starting the season off, he was very good?



He then picks up a bit of a knock a few games later and then gets fit but as he a "big name" player, he sits on the side-lines for a month waiting for his chance and then when someone else is injured he is put in as centre and winger (once) and does ok.



He has only played 7 games this year but has been fully fir for quite a few more and has not been selected.



I don't think he has had a poor game this season but needs to prove his fitness and an injury free period.

But that's always been the issue.



If it was year one or 2 fine, but we are heading towards year 6 now.