Wigan Saints 2010.



Result 26-24 to Saints.



Wellens through the ball into the crowd on the full time hooter and shouted with his arms wide running down the South stand.



Your opinions on that?

This thread is a joke, he threw it underarm into the stand, like many other players do when celebrating. In fact Lima did it minutes later and received no reaction. But then others are also irritated because Tomkins celebrated after his try.



So are Saints really upset about the celebration or who was doing it. Both Hock and Tomkins are world class and not very popular with the opposition. Should they be banned from celebrating? Maybe we should extend it to Briers at wire, Wilkin, head high hohia and the slug at saints etc?!

It's a ball Pete, not a knife, bullet or hand grenade.

Oh right, so If it's thrown and it's someone directly on the nose it won't hurt?



If its a kid in the face it's ok?

Rugby balls going into the crowd. Blimey its getting a bit dangerous. I think this could lead to conversions being banned or nets being erected behind the posts.



I don't recall any Stains supporters making such a big deal of it when Wellens did the same at the DW. Nor did the Wigan supporters for that matter. I agree that players shouldn't do it but the ref spoke with Hock and that should be the end of it. Its certainly dangerous for players to put in high shots like the one from Hohaia on Tomkins but it happens in the heat of the moment occasionally. No malicious intent from Lance and none from Hock either.

I don't recall the police, the ref, the fans and the RFL getting involved when/if wello did it.

The ref yes but fans and police no. I can understand your frustration at losing but making such a big issue of a ball being thrown into the crowd is way OTT. In terms of Hock v Wellens incident the only difference is the reaction of the Stains fans. Get a grip before you lose the plot completely.

It's not out of frustration at losing to Wigan as Wigan deserved the win and IMO was easily the best team on the day without a shadow of doubt.



However, I didn't like what hock did, IMO it was intentional and should be warned over it.

Intentional? Get real. He was celebrating just as Wellens was. So Wellens' was intentional as well?



The ref did speak with Hock and that should be the end of it. Do you want to put him in the Stocks in the centre of St.Helens as well?

Now theres a thought, yes

Now that would be interesting

Look mate, that's the way I seen it with my own eyes at the game and then on the replay. That's the way the ref seen it as he had words with him, the rfl have said its in the refs report and will be investigated, so it's clear something did happen.



You will not change my view on this with constant backing of very poor behaviour by Hock and I don't expect to change your view on it.



It's history now so I'm going to draw a line under it from my side as I'm bored stiff with it to be honest.



If the rfl charge then IMO rightly so, if not then its done with.

are you kidding just watch other games and players often throw balls into the crowd,especially when the crowd have been bad mouthing them

lets not just single out this player because you where beaten

Briers is the biggest culprit and a player called Long often did it

get a life and stop moanin

In no way am I backing poor behaviour. I have said that Hock or Wellens shouldn't have thrown the ball into the crowd. The ref. dealt with it and if the RFL follow it up then I have no problem with that. What I have an issue with is the OTT reaction from Stains fans.

Right show me the clip of Wellens doing the same that you vermin fans are banging on about.

Interestingly there's a decent clip of LMS kicking the ball into the crowd form last year on youtube. I suppose somebody who could be bothered could find you a clip, but let me guess, if it's not on the internet it didn't happen?

Im just disappointed with him, he is a very good player with great handling skills but he doesn't half let himself down with some of the stuff he does.

The penalty with Perry was an absolute shambles. He moved off the mark, Josh grabbed his hand and slapped it, Hock then slapped Perry and both of them put their handbags away after it. Bentham should have just told him to go back to the mark and stop being such absolute girls.



There was no need for him to put the ball in the crowd like he did but as far as i know, nobody was hurt. A lot of frustration at my own team came out giving Hock my twopence after his incident. End of the day he was silly and could have started a bit of a kerfuffle between the crowd and the stewards/police. I was sat in the SW corner under the Police box and they saw it too so if anyone did want to come forward then there was a presence there.



Hock came forward and said he was guilty and did his time, as far as I'm concerned i spend very very little time thinking about him and not letting him get to me. I think a lot of people on here could do the same.



Hock played well, we lost, he did something silly and its blown up. Get on with your lives.

If Hock is in trouble god help Richard Owen this week the way he threw the ball into the fans after his try against wakey .life ban?

I've never said it was ok but keep it in perspective. It was a ball. If you think that somebody throwing into the crowd means some fans have the right to behave like hooligans that's your choice but I don't. Like I said earlier, tempers run high but the way people were rushing forward, beer going and what have you was comical. Fine I guess if that's all it was but it looked a bit loutish and classless, exactly like Hock's behaviour.



The fans can't complain about Hock acting like a tool if they then follow his lead. It's like saying "Thou shalt not kill" then going and killing somebody and saying "Well they did it first". In fact, it is why when you retaliate in league (on the field) you get a penalty given against you because if you are struck you are expected to keep your cool and not respond (I understand there are physical tactical situations in which this may arise and fisticuffs may be deemed necessary as a valid response, however generally it is expected that you do not retaliate). If we apply that principle on the field why wouldn't you want to apply it on the terraces?

A saints fan commenting on a player moving off the mark?!



Have you ever watched saints play, they do it at every PTB, wire do it too, it gives them the fast PTB that they've played to for years.

Oh I duno theres no clips of Hock taking drugs and we know that happened. So your wrong there.