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| While this meeting and planning 'may' be circumventing the RLF, surely they aren't too arrogant to admit that to have a club (with players,) ready to play the fixtures they have set out needs to be finalised as quickly as possible.
And if this cartel have already jumped through the hoops defined by the RFL (which I have to imagine they have, otherwise why the newco, website, meeting etc.) even the RFL must recognise that this is the best bid to start the season with an actual Bradford team.
They couldn't scupper that through pure blind arrogance surely?
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| Quote Highlander="Highlander"Does anyone know if Green has a son & if so, what company he is a director in?'"
He does. Has his own promotions business. I think he's renting an old chapel somewhere in Leeds for putting on dance nights.
I have wondered how many of the Marc Green photos of him apparently in an Ibiza nightclub were actually in his lads bedroom.
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| I agree I think the RFL already knew what was going on yesterday,
for a bidder to field a bid Monday and have a team together, coaching staff, admin staff, sponsors, kit, ground staff,etc etc all sorted for 3 weeks time is impossible.
This way the club is saved from liquidation, the right thing is seen to be done by the creditors, a possible team should be able to put together for the HKR match ready to go.
Richardson should hopefully be able to replace the gone players as the season goes on, if not some loans from other teams (uncle Tony) can be brought in as needed.
It should be 6 points if the creditors are satisfied, so it will be a very interesting season with hopefully a lot more motivation to achieve.
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| Quote Bulliac="Bulliac"The RFL are probably hoping we can't get any sort of competitive team together - the fact that this 'new deal', if indeed it is a done deal, might just do that and would upset them, somewhat.
I'd guess the RFL, given earlier statements and their obvious attempt to engineering that very scenario are clearly hoping/praying we go down next year.'"
Not buying that. I'm not sure what the RFL would gain from our relegation.
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| So an Odsal 70s concert is back on? Where's Rick?
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| Quote Duckman="Duckman"I agree it's potentially worrying. But, we don't know what discussions have gone on between which parties. There is too much guesswork going on. For all we know the rfl are in the loop with the Richardson bid. The list of items the rfl need satisfying by Monday by any potential owner included a detailed plan of staffing and playing squad capability to start the 2017 season, a meeting with the ex current squad is the best starting point for that, without such a meeting how could any other party hope to convince the rfl they could field a team in 3 weeks time?'"
OK, First things first the Administrators did NOT inform the RFL that this meeting was even taking place. Therefore, it was set up to ambush the RFL and put them in a position where the NEWCO Bulls are ready to go, all they need now is the membership and the Administrators are currently discussing this with the RFL.
The creditors will get stuffed on this deal as in true Marc Green style the debts of Bradford Bulls Northern Ltd are being dumped and this company will indeed be liquidated. The 'new' Bradford Bulls Capital Ltd will emerge. I for one cannot see how this can be classed as a new company / club in any way, shape or form. They will have the same logo, players, admin staff, coaching staff, buildings, etc so how the hell is it a new company with no debt.
Anyone with a true love of our sport should be against this happening and petition the RFL to not give the membership to this barsteward offspring of Marc Green. I will refuse to go and watch them when they play against my team as I don't want to be any part of a sport that sells its morality and integrity, especially to someone from RU who will use this to access ALL of our best young talent.
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| A totally lame duck club would be back in admin in no time as even if the owners satisfied all the RFL criteria the supporters wouldn't be on board to watch a side get stuffed every week until relegation. Any goodwill has long since dried up and to expect fans to buy into a charade is naive.
However if the remaining 20 players in the squad were kept on there's a chance of survival, and supporters could very much buy into a backs to the wall type spin.
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| Quote el red="el red" I will refuse to go and watch them when they play against my team as I don't want to be any part of a sport that sells its morality and integrity...'"
Mate. RL is a Murdoch plaything. We sold out a long time ago.
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| Quote ridlerbull="ridlerbull"So we had a position where two bids were accepted by the rfl but were rejected by the administrator. Now we have a bid accepted by the administrator but not the rfl. The difference seems to be how much Green gets out of the deal, and that given Bulls could be sold as a going concern it would be the rfl that puts us into liquidation. My brain hurts.'"
What if Richardson's plan was one of the 2 accepted by the RFL? Not beyond the wit of man that he would have been renegotiating with the administrator.
I hope that's the case as it seems the best scenario for a quick response that doesn't put the RFL's nose out!
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| Quote Bullseye="Bullseye"A totally lame duck club would be back in admin in no time as even if the owners satisfied all the RFL criteria the supporters wouldn't be on board to watch a side get stuffed every week until relegation. Any goodwill has long since dried up and to expect fans to buy into a charade is naive.
However if the remaining 20 players in the squad were kept on there's a chance of survival, and supporters could very much buy into a backs to the wall type spin.'"
Totally agree for my sins im a Leeds United fan. The season we were relegated and started on -15 points was one of my favorite seasons as a supporter. I can hear the song we sang being changed from 15 points who gives a f##k we're super Leeds and we're going up! to 12 points who gives a chuff (because we are a family sport) we're Bradford Bulls and we're staying up! haha I can dream anyway...........
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| Quote el red="el red"OK, First things first the Administrators did NOT inform the RFL that this meeting was even taking place. Therefore, it was set up to ambush the RFL and put them in a position where the NEWCO Bulls are ready to go, all they need now is the membership and the Administrators are currently discussing this with the RFL.
The creditors will get stuffed on this deal as in true Marc Green style the debts of Bradford Bulls Northern Ltd are being dumped and this company will indeed be liquidated. The 'new' Bradford Bulls Capital Ltd will emerge. I for one cannot see how this can be classed as a new company / club in any way, shape or form. They will have the same logo, players, admin staff, coaching staff, buildings, etc so how the hell is it a new company with no debt.
Anyone with a true love of our sport should be against this happening and petition the RFL to not give the membership to this barsteward offspring of Marc Green. I will refuse to go and watch them when they play against my team as I don't want to be any part of a sport that sells its morality and integrity, especially to someone from RU who will use this to access ALL of our best young talent.'"
Someone else who is seeing what I am and Mr Red has had alot more info than me throughout.
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| Quote el red="el red"OK, First things first the Administrators did NOT inform the RFL that this meeting was even taking place. Therefore, it was set up to ambush the RFL and put them in a position where the NEWCO Bulls are ready to go, all they need now is the membership and the Administrators are currently discussing this with the RFL.
The creditors will get stuffed on this deal as in true Marc Green style the debts of Bradford Bulls Northern Ltd are being dumped and this company will indeed be liquidated. The 'new' Bradford Bulls Capital Ltd will emerge. I for one cannot see how this can be classed as a new company / club in any way, shape or form. They will have the same logo, players, admin staff, coaching staff, buildings, etc so how the hell is it a new company with no debt.
Anyone with a true love of our sport should be against this happening and petition the RFL to not give the membership to this barsteward offspring of Marc Green. I will refuse to go and watch them when they play against my team as I don't want to be any part of a sport that sells its morality and integrity, especially to someone from RU who will use this to access ALL of our best young talent.'"
I get your point, but not entirely sure how you would expect another Newco to start up in 3 weeks without having the same buildings, staff (playing), badge on kit etc? Surely ANY new owner is going to need that? They have no choice on using the ground, we already know that.
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| But there is definitely something fishy going on. Can we just sort it out please? And without any bl00dy shysters being involved.
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| Quote el red="el red"OK, First things first the Administrators did NOT inform the RFL that this meeting was even taking place. Therefore, it was set up to ambush the RFL and put them in a position where the NEWCO Bulls are ready to go, all they need now is the membership and the Administrators are currently discussing this with the RFL.
The creditors will get stuffed on this deal as in true Marc Green style the debts of Bradford Bulls Northern Ltd are being dumped and this company will indeed be liquidated. The 'new' Bradford Bulls Capital Ltd will emerge. I for one cannot see how this can be classed as a new company / club in any way, shape or form. They will have the same logo, players, admin staff, coaching staff, buildings, etc so how the hell is it a new company with no debt.
Anyone with a true love of our sport should be against this happening and petition the RFL to not give the membership to this barsteward offspring of Marc Green. I will refuse to go and watch them when they play against my team as I don't want to be any part of a sport that sells its morality and integrity, especially to someone from RU who will use this to access ALL of our best young talent.'"
My understanding of this was that they would be saving the existing club from liquidation - not claiming it to be a new club as you seem to be suggesting. Even in previous admins, a new holding company has been incorporated to take over the existing club, so I don't see how the creation of Bradford Bulls Capital Ltd is in anyway different to the 2 previous admins.
If the creditors aren't being satisfied then the RFL will issue the full 12 point penalty as is in the rules. People do need to stop referring to yesterdays criteria announcement though - that is for setting up a brand new rugby club, not continuing with the existing one as is the case here!
And since they would need to also negotiate the rent of Odsal, not just the membership, they would have known full well that the RFL need to be heavily involved so suggesting they are trying to pull the wool over the RFL's eyes is ludicrous to me.
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You need Equity,unfortunately the BOD have made sure BULLS equity is worth somewhere in the region of an old threepeny bit.What great business nous they all had.20K+ crowds,grand finals,wembley,world club challenges,produced youngsters of international class,all thrown down the toilet.Careless at best,something else at worst.
Its pantomime season,Petit is well cast.
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| Quote Bullseye="Bullseye"A totally lame duck club would be back in admin in no time as even if the owners satisfied all the RFL criteria the supporters wouldn't be on board to watch a side get stuffed every week until relegation. Any goodwill has long since dried up and to expect fans to buy into a charade is naive.
However if the remaining 20 players in the squad were kept on there's a chance of survival, and supporters could very much buy into a backs to the wall type spin.'"
Just for clarity, the RFL had NO IDEA this meeting was taking place. They found out about it at the 11th hour and therefore were being deceived.
So you are happy for this NEWCO to dump on creditors? The same creditors who have helped the club out in the past. Also you are happy for one of Green's cronies to basically front the club that Green has put in administration twice already. Guess what happens when in two years they haven't got the lease to Odsal from the RFL... ADMINISTRATION again.
Don't forget that this has been engineered to also shave all the clubs top earners and lower the wage bill at the expense of having a competitive team. So the 'backs to the wall' you talk about is false. Rohan knew all this and has merely rolled over to maintain his ridiculous salary for a Championship coach.
I want the Bradford club to rise again, but not like this.
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| Quote el red="el red"OK, First things first the Administrators did NOT inform the RFL that this meeting was even taking place. Therefore, it was set up to ambush the RFL and put them in a position where the NEWCO Bulls are ready to go, all they need now is the membership and the Administrators are currently discussing this with the RFL.
The creditors will get stuffed on this deal as in true Marc Green style the debts of Bradford Bulls Northern Ltd are being dumped and this company will indeed be liquidated. The 'new' Bradford Bulls Capital Ltd will emerge. I for one cannot see how this can be classed as a new company / club in any way, shape or form. They will have the same logo, players, admin staff, coaching staff, buildings, etc so how the hell is it a new company with no debt.
Anyone with a true love of our sport should be against this happening and petition the RFL to not give the membership to this barsteward offspring of Marc Green. I will refuse to go and watch them when they play against my team as I don't want to be any part of a sport that sells its morality and integrity, especially to someone from RU who will use this to access ALL of our best young talent.'"
It does smell funny but would creditors get any more via liquidation? Is your understandable hatred for Green overshadowing other factors?
There have been three previous "Bradford Bulls" clubs all with the same logo, most of the same players, admin staff, coaching staff, buildings and the last two all started with no debt as a new company at companies house. With 3 weeks to go there's not much chance of that not happening again is there? Unless all bids are thrown out until 2018.
The difference this time seems to be that Green might (and I don't know the ins and outs) get a share holding in the new company. Anyone can own shares in a company and not necessarily have an involvement in the running of it. It depends how the company is constituted, for me I'd want to be clear on that if I was the RFL. Green should have no influence or any part to play in running a new company. If that criteria is met the pragmatic thing to do would be to allow this new bidder to take over - the other criteria published yesterday I'm not sure about how this fits in since it's still in admin but I expect it still to apply.
The thing about union getting at the best young talent is a red herring IMO. If they want to get it they can since their game is significantly wealthier than ours. There really is no contest. Have the Rhinos been plundered by Leeds Carnegie? Have Sale plundered RL teams in the north west?
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| Quote el red="el red"OK, First things first the Administrators did NOT inform the RFL that this meeting was even taking place. Therefore, it was set up to ambush the RFL and put them in a position where the NEWCO Bulls are ready to go, all they need now is the membership and the Administrators are currently discussing this with the RFL.
The creditors will get stuffed on this deal as in true Marc Green style the debts of Bradford Bulls Northern Ltd are being dumped and this company will indeed be liquidated. The 'new' Bradford Bulls Capital Ltd will emerge. I for one cannot see how this can be classed as a new company / club in any way, shape or form. They will have the same logo, players, admin staff, coaching staff, buildings, etc so how the hell is it a new company with no debt.
Anyone with a true love of our sport should be against this happening and petition the RFL to not give the membership to this barsteward offspring of Marc Green. I will refuse to go and watch them when they play against my team as I don't want to be any part of a sport that sells its morality and integrity, especially to someone from RU who will use this to access ALL of our best young talent.'"
What is going to transpire is that Gary pettit rejected a bid approved by the RFL, only then to have accepted one this 11th hour one from Green Thorne Richardson. With Green Duffy Thorne taking steps, behind the scenes, to stymie any other realistic options so that themselves are in a position to hold the RFL to ransom over accepting this new ownership. I fully expect the players who selfishly know all this to take action against me but at least the truth is out.
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| Quote Mirfieldbull="Mirfieldbull"What if Richardson's plan was one of the 2 accepted by the RFL? Not beyond the wit of man that he would have been renegotiating with the administrator.
I hope that's the case as it seems the best scenario for a quick response that doesn't put the RFL's nose out!'"
Ah yes. I'm fully expecting Richardson's to have been one of the originally accepted bids. The devil is clearly in the detail.
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| Quote el red="el red"
So you are happy for this NEWCO to dump on creditors? The same creditors who have helped the club out in the past. Also you are happy for one of Green's cronies to basically front the club that Green has put in administration twice already. Guess what happens when in two years they haven't got the lease to Odsal from the RFL... ADMINISTRATION again.
Don't forget that this has been engineered to also shave all the clubs top earners and lower the wage bill at the expense of having a competitive team. So the 'backs to the wall' you talk about is false. Rohan knew all this and has merely rolled over to maintain his ridiculous salary for a Championship coach.
I want the Bradford club to rise again, but not like this.'"
I can understand your frustration and anger but will creditors be better off if the company is liquidated?
Are you saying Richardson (a very wealthy man, unlike Green) is one of Green's cronies? How is he? What are you alleging?
A lot of this fiasco is down to the fact that the administrator is trying to rush this through and the RFL are trying to rush something else through. This is all so needless really and more likely to cause admin 4. I always said we'd be better waiting until 2018 and starting in League 1. That's not on the agenda though so we are where we are. It's a situation of the RFL and the administrator's making.
I think the current squad of 20ish is possibly capable of staying up with a few loan additions. If any more go then it's a certainty they won't. So you're saying it's lame duck or nothing then?
That's going to be admin 4 too.
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| Quote KCNBABT="KCNBABT"Just been told the RFL are holding an emergency meeting at 3:00pm today.'"
I thought an emergency meeting might of been abit sooner!!!! 
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