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| Quote J7P1="J7P1"Toronto Wolfpack "fully intend to field a team in the 2021 season"If the championship does not resume the 2020 season then the only fair outcome for Toronto in the 2021 season is League One with a twenty point deduction.'"
That's because the SKY deal goes to the end of the 2021 season but come 2022 there will be no American clubs. Not after all this nonsense. Having said this there aren't any now.
Please don't suggest real clubs in Championship one have to put up with what is left of them? Or the phoney Ottawa and New York.
Not sure what is left of TWP? A load of snake oil and T-Shirts with Wolfpack written on them? A load of unpaid bills.
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| Quote Donnyman="Donnyman"Well nobody as it's most likely a few clubs may volunteer to take their place then how do you decide?
There was a suggestion SKY are furious about this, They pay for an Elite League and a full competition.
The players have a case that they were not contracted to a charade nor will they allow their own player welfare to be thrown to one side.
Sure someone can pick up the pieces if someone bankrolls it but how would a squad of say 24 championship players go, masquerading as TWP?
Like I say they probably need expunging like Streatham & Mitcham were in 1937. The game survived that. It would be big news then chip paper the day later.
After all the bluff and bluster, and ridiculous pretence from the American dream it's probaby time to take it on the chin and stop it all now and that includes Perez, and Wilby - but I dunno if there will be a cost.'"
Featherstone Rovers lost the million pound game last year. They should be invited to take Toronto’s place in 2020 and relegation should be scrapped, allowing them to build for 2021. Toronto cannot pick and choose when they want to play. If that’s the case, many clubs would be better financially by refusing to play in 2020 and coming back in 2021.
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| Quote nottinghamtiger="nottinghamtiger"Featherstone Rovers lost the million pound game last year. They should be invited to take Toronto’s place in 2020 and relegation should be scrapped, allowing them to build for 2021. Toronto cannot pick and choose when they want to play. If that’s the case, many clubs would be better financially by refusing to play in 2020 and coming back in 2021.'"
Mate - a good honest solution, if it's OK with the other good honest clubs, but to both our disappointment it seems those in charge want to make the charade into a full blown pantomime.
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| As much as I’m anti-Toronto, it just wouldn’t be cricket to relegate them especially as it’s looking like the Championship isn’t restarting and rumours of scrapping P+R for this year anyway.
A 12 point deduction and a suspended fine is the way to go.
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| Quote Willzay="Willzay"As much as I’m anti-Toronto, it just wouldn’t be cricket to relegate them especially as it’s looking like the Championship isn’t restarting and rumours of scrapping P+R for this year anyway. A 12 point deduction and a suspended fine is the way to go.'"
Mate, the sole owner and bankroller is gone and so are his cronies - and the contracted players who actually did their job want out on a breach of contract so there isn't anything left to "punish" is there?......
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| Quote Willzay="Willzay"As much as I’m anti-Toronto, it just wouldn’t be cricket to relegate them especially as it’s looking like the Championship isn’t restarting and rumours of scrapping P+R for this year anyway.
A 12 point deduction and a suspended fine is the way to go.'"
Club doles our massive contracts to high-profile players.
Club complains about salary cap.
Club complains about not being allowed to break salary cap.
Club asks for money from other clubs, despite said massive contracts to players who other clubs might have wanted to sign.
Club doesn’t pay suppliers.
Club doesn’t pay players.
Club decides they don’t want to play this season.
Relegation to the Championship would be a mild sanction.
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| There needs to be swift action and a severe punishment or other clubs will take the same option as TW.
Leigh are the only Championship club with a stadium suitable for Super League and should replace Toronto.
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| Quote J7P1="J7P1"There needs to be swift action and a severe punishment or other clubs will take the same option as TW.
Leigh are the only Championship club with a stadium suitable for Super League and should replace Toronto.'"
Widnes have a 14,000 all seater stadium more than capable of holding rugby in what is becoming a farce of a competition, not to mention one of the most competitive academies year in year out, despite being a league below
I don’t know what route the rfl will go down. There needs to be severe punishment or what’s stopping other clubs stepping forward doing the exact same, to save costs.
The team I feel for is Fev, having worked their off all year to get into a final, to get beat by a non sustainable franchise.
I’m not a Toronto fan but once they were in SL, i wanted it to work. I wanted them to bring quality over to the super league, sign some super stars and put on a show. But if you want to hand stupid contracts out to sonny bill and Leutele hoping for short term success, but when hits the fan you don’t want to bank roll it, move on. I believe they should be booted from super league but how they go about replacing them, is anyone’s guess right now
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| Quote Pats plastic pitch="Pats plastic pitch"Widnes have a 14,000 all seater stadium more than capable of holding rugby in what is becoming a farce of a competition, not to mention one of the most competitive academies year in year out, despite being a league below
I don’t know what route the rfl will go down. There needs to be severe punishment or what’s stopping other clubs stepping forward doing the exact same, to save costs.
The team I feel for is Fev, having worked their booty off all year to get into a final, to get beat by a non sustainable franchise.
I’m not a Toronto fan but once they were in SL, i wanted it to work. I wanted them to bring quality over to the super league, sign some super stars and put on a show. But if you want to hand stupid contracts out to sonny bill and Leutele hoping for short term success, but when poop hits the fan you don’t want to bank roll it, move on. I believe they should be booted from super league but how they go about replacing them, is anyone’s guess right now'"
The problem with Widnes is do they have a stable financial situation, and do they have a team capable of being competitive in SL? The same questions also apply to Leigh, but I think the answers are better.
I think TWP have gone and burnt their bridges with SL and the RFL and they won't be coming back from this. The hubris of the Sonny Bill Williams signing has come back to bite them in a massive way.
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| Could the league go ahead without them, giving each team a 'by' for the upcoming games? That way, the Championship could continue as is, and whoever win that is promoted. IF Toronto do not come back, so be it. Itv was always likely that they wold have been relegated in any case.
It is likely that they may continue, as the main reasons that they cannot continue are COVID19 restrictions and as a consequences VISA restrictions. Unless of course they get dispensation from the Home Office?
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| Quote mapleyther="mapleyther"The problem with Widnes is do they have a stable financial situation, and do they have a team capable of being competitive in SL? The same questions also apply to Leigh, but I think the answers are better.
I think TWP have gone and burnt their bridges with SL and the RFL and they won't be coming back from this. The hubris of the Sonny Bill Williams signing has come back to bite them in a massive way.'"
I think going part time has done Widnes the world of good. We’re still facing issues from the pandemic like every club right now, but we will come out of it fine. Over the years I’ve actually like Derek Beaumont’s contribution towards Leigh, take my hat off to him. But at the same he has also been very hot and cold. All in/all out approach. Kind of spat his dummy out and wrote a season or two off until Toronto we’re out the way.
I believe both Widnes and Leigh would be up there as top contenders, possibly even Toulouse if the rfl want to continue down the expansion route and gamble with two French teams, why not
Yeah I’d say Toronto definitely have to be relegated. Based on current issues and standings, giving them a 12 point deduction next season for me is a pointless exercise only to prolong the inevitable
Fingers crossed they find a way to restart the championship and the GF final rightfully should take TWP place. Otherwise it would come down to cherry picking your best suitable team from the leagues below.
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| Oh dear oh dear . well i am not going to be one of those who says i told you so (but i did  ) . Obviously the Virus has speeded things up but it was never going to work long term . Do i feel sorry for the players involved , not really , most were looking at easy money or topping up their pensions . We need to get over this as quick as possible and that means none of this oh we will be back next year rubbish . Just throw them out now , organize a small comp with clubs in the championship even a knock out cup and promote the winners for 2021
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| The plastic pitch at Widnes is unsuitable for super league rugby.
Leigh were competitive during their recent season in Super league when they did not finish bottom.
They won six matches including putting fifty points on Wigan and beating St Helens, Warrington, Huddersfield, Salford and Hull.
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| Quote J7P1="J7P1"The plastic pitch at Widnes is unsuitable for super league rugby.
Leigh were competitive during their recent season in Super league when they did not finish bottom.
They won six matches including putting fifty points on Wigan and beating St Helens, Warrington, Huddersfield, Salford and Hull.'"
The pitch is fine. Especially since it has been upgraded and resurfaced.
Definitely a pointless argument going off previous super league campaigns. If a team does replace Toronto, they’ll be odds on to finish bottom and in the relegation spot, regardless of who it is
More worrying thing is, they had a game against Hull KR in two weeks. The season needs addressing and fast.
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| Quote nottinghamtiger="nottinghamtiger"
Club doles our massive contracts to high-profile players.
Club complains about salary cap.
Club complains about not being allowed to break salary cap.
Club asks for money from other clubs, despite said massive contracts to players who other clubs might have wanted to sign.
Club doesn’t pay suppliers.
Club doesn’t pay players.
Club decides they don’t want to play this season.
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Owner throws toy away
Owner looks to buy in at Melbourne storm instead.
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| Quote J7P1="J7P1" Leigh are the only Championship club with a stadium suitable for Super League and should replace Toronto.'"
Featherstone's stadium is unrecognisable now. It is better than Cas' and Wakefield's.
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| Quote ploinerrhino="ploinerrhino"Oh dear oh dear . well i am not going to be one of those who says i told you so (but i did
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Given the owner is a $$Billionaire with major mining assets adding to that fortune daily he could have kept the whole thing going for the rest of his days. The virus speeded nothing up, the man knew when he was not wanted, the man found somewhere else to spend his money where he had his original ambitions i.e. in the NRL.
I think we are in danger of continuing to swallow anything they say, it's really time to stop. So you got TWP right....
Your thoughts on Ottawa and New York?
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| Quote Donnyman="Donnyman"Given the owner is a $$Billionaire with major mining assets adding to that fortune daily he could have kept the whole thing going for the rest of his days. The virus speeded nothing up, the man knew when he was not wanted, the man found somewhere else to spend his money where he had his original ambitions i.e. in the NRL.
I think we are in danger of continuing to swallow anything they say, it's really time to stop. So you got TWP right....
Your thoughts on Ottawa and New York?'"
My thoughts on Ottawa and New York .
I used to watch a T.V. show called Fantasy Island 
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It must be wonderful to have such vision, didn't know Toronto have a pension scheme though.
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| I will miss that plastic field hockey pitch with the settee on touchline plus the Mad Max extras in the crowd on free tickets. If they are allowed to resume in SL next season then the game really is done.
The people responsible for this want their goolies chopping off. Never should have laid a platform for a Canadian side to get into SL let alone in our league system at all. Be seeing you..
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| Surely it’s just a case of carry on the super league season but the team that was due to play Toronto now gets a ‘bye’ week. Like bury in football.
Why get into the complicated situation of picking a team to replace them with less than 2 weeks notice. Whoever gets picked will likely be on the losing side every week, especially given the championship hasn’t got a restart date so likely no one is training. This leaves them as unprepared as Toronto were going to be.
Plus you face moans from the teams not picked as to why it should have been them.
In a way it’s a shame for Toronto but in a lot of ways common sense has won the day. Logistics!
My only hope is that maybe the money men can get involved at other clubs closer to home and are not lost to the game as we could do with the money in our game. But how do you get them to invest here when it’s their money? Frustrating as you think how much could have been achieved at a number of clubs with a fraction of the money Toronto have blown
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| Toronto not fulfilling their fixtures is equivalent of them going into administration or going bust, regardless of their location. Other teams get the 2 points and they get automatically relegated at the end of the season.
The only other option would be to suspend P&R, but how is that fair on a potential promoting team (if their season restarts of course) just because a team in the higher league is unable to finish their season.
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| Although I've heard that the S African and Italian sides won't be comleting their league fixtures in the RU Pro 14, but they aren't based in England like Toronto are. And SL is supposed to be a "superior" competition to the Pro 14.
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Does that competition have P&R?
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