Well 2nd best young prop (Havard) the best one (Byrne) is coming along nicely.

Having seen O'Neill I'm not sure I'd class Powell as Wigan's best hooker. Personally think he's massively overrated (but maybe that's because he's also a horrible little grub!

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I'd be a bit concerned if I was a Saints fan. Pretty clueless in attack and if they don't get 2/3 of their backline back for the play-offs I think it'll be Wigan + A N Other in the GF. Looking on the bright side, LeBron will then go into early winter hibernation.....

So lets get this right Wigan are missing average players of which the replacement players must be below those average players them not being the first choice.

St Helens are missing bona fide international standard players whos replacements surely must be better than Wigans below average players.

So what happened in the semi when you wasnt missing that much or last night where you got battered.



Also has anyone seen Morgan Knowles (the greatest player ever) seems to be missing since the CC semi,was missing last night thats for sure as was most of the Saints team.

He was in back play giving the best FB in the league a cuddle as he was upset with the nasty boys bullying him

You’re wrong, Jack Welsby is the greatest player in the WORLD. Everyone knows that by now.

Sh*t does that mean they have the 2 greatest players in the world ! what chance have the rest of the league got,

oops forgot the greatest winger in the world as well,thank god he didnt play as we would have been butchered

Now that Knowles has been banned will anyone notice,just asking.

He’s no Matt Dufty that’s for sure

Legend!



Do you support Saints mate?

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Have saints won the grand final yet?



I hate this competition so much.

He's probably gone around to Morgan Smithies house for assistance to polish his 3 Grand Final Rings. At the same time he will be giving Smithies advice to stop being a 3rd man flopper or a 2nd man head job, tackle first man in take full impact and you will be picked for the World Cup Comp, just like me.

BLAH BLAH BLAH

Or maybe he'll be asking him how to actually make an impact in a big game instead of going missing every time.

Knowles doesn't need to ask him anything, he will just need to say a couple of NRL clubs have come in for him, Smithies has only had interest from the Orkney Island Annual head butting competition.



Even Shaun Wane has him the first names on the England team sheet, Wane won't have nut jobs in his team like Smithies.

So you are comparing Morgan Knowles (27 year old)with 3 rings and is invisible in the big games to a 21 year old who could easily surpass the invisible man by the time he turns 27.

Knowles is over rated as he will get owned by the Australians.

Who cares if you don’t rate him, you are a nobody. When you get experienced coaches in Kear, Holbrook, Wane and Woolf rating him, that’s all that matters. To endorse that even further he has neen nominated into the Superleague Dream Team for the last 3 consecutive seasons.

Who are you to say he is “a nobody”?

I am someone with a opinion as you are so stop being a d*ck if you dont my comment.



You still tried to compare a 21 year old kid against a 27 year old,wait to see if Smithies has won anything when he gets to that age apart from the CC of course.



Not only me has said he disappears in the games that matter.

They cant help it when someone gives it back they have to insult,poor little children.

Really? You mean the 21 year old Smithies currently in the England Knights? You know, the pathway to the full England squad that the 27 year old Knowles still hasn't played for unless you actually believe the All Stars game was a real international? That England squad?



That's right mate "first name on the England team sheet" right there. He must be having trouble finding somewhere to store all his international caps...that's if he can even count them in the first place.

Maybe you are another mystic Meg believing Smithies could surpass Morgan Knowles, you do know Jason65 has projected Morgan Knowles 2 years into the future, he is only 25.



I repeat Knowles has been in the Superleague dream team for 3 consecutive seasons, He is one of the most important players in our team over the same period.



If people are still adamant he is so overrrated then we will leave it there, you can only flog a dead horse so many times with that kind of persistent perspective.

Sorry that makes all the difference so he turns 26 in November,more or less 5 years older still a few years older than Smithies.

I think Knowels is a tad over rated but surely you cannot compere a 21 yr old to a 25 yr old.

But then again you do .

He may be very important to your team as Faz is to ours but some people think he is over rated.

I haven't said anything at all regarding whether Smithies will surpass Knowles so there's only Mystic Meg in evidence here pal.



I merely pointed out the frailties in your argument. Making out Knowles is some kind of "automatic choice" for England when he has yet to even represent them properly. You literally have no idea how he will perform at international level (another Mystic Meg performance from you there). He could last one game and be found wanting. No one knows.



Similarly, your assessment of Smithies being "nowhere near" the England set up is equally wrong as he's currently in the latest Knights squad at just 21. Will he surpass Knowles' massive 1 friendly appearance in the next 4 years? Who knows. Hardly mission impossible though, is it?



If you're going to spout nonsense, be prepared to be called on it. You're the one who decided to have a go at Smithies but act all butt hurt when someone has a pop at one of Saint's players.



Don't be a 'Welsby'... It's not a good look.

Yes, but the original pop came from Jason 65 on Knowles, all I did was banter with actual facts on what Knowles had acieved so far. Them it became tit for tat on how good Smithies is going to be in mystic meg fashion.

Lots of experienced coaches and the rugby media really rate Knowles but not on VT that is dismissed or in denial. Smithies may well have a good career at international level but as it stands now he doesn't, its as simple as that. Maybe you can come back in a few seasons and say I told you so but at the moment thats just not happening.