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| Quote just_browny="just_browny"I was dead wrong about this guy. I always thought he was just a tackler and a bit of a spoiler, but your description is spot on.
Neither he nor Hayes do anything flashy with the ball, but you can tell both of them know exactly what their jobs are, moving the ball quickly and tidily and making space for others.'"
Exactly the same here, for me he was the spare part at wigan who seemed to be the person still clinging to wanes terrible tackling style long after he had gone.
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| Quote fez1="fez1"Just finished watching this on iplayer as I was away today. Fantastic result.
A lot of good points raised here.
Williams was outstanding. World class performance.
Harrison has come of age in these last 2 games and led from the front. (I now don't fear if Vaughan is out). He was an absolute animal out there. What an engine.
Ashtons finish was incredible but he was so good at bringing the ball out of defence.
It was a close game for 60 minutes but at half time I was worried about the 2nd half simply because Saints didn't really seem to have got going yet still were neck and neck with us.
But on reflection that was because of the way WE played and how WE did not allow Saints to play.
They made uncharacteristic errors because of the pressure WE put on them and got them rattled.
I simply didn't understand the Saints game plan.
I can't remember a single high kick to our right.
Saints forwards struggled to get 'go forward'.
Lomax and Welsby were non existant for large parts of the game.
Clark only had a couple of runs from dummy half.
Was this because we successfully managed to slow their ptb down? I'm not sure.
Clearly our best performance of the season.
Great team spirit and belief. Resilliance is building.'" daryl who?
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| Quote ratticusfinch="ratticusfinch"We’re all supposed to be miles behind St Helens but so far on tv we’ve heard;
1. Whitley is the signing of the season - he’s nowhere ruddy near Fitzgibbon.
2. Bennison is that good that he’s keeping Tee Ritson out of the side (tee hee)
3. James Bell is their most influential player…..James Bell….these are the Entertainers apparently.
4. Clark has been brillliant….looked bog average.'"
Bell was ok, all 3 other points would be highly disputed yesterday
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| Another point to bear in mind was how we neutralised Walmsley. Every time he got possession we were in his face and not afraid to let him know. He normally returns for the last 20 mins against a tiring defence and looks a world beater. Yesterday they were forced to bring him back before 50 mins and he got battered again before leaving the field injured. As most of their go forward is on the back of him running over tired defence or little blokes they were a busted flush without him.
Anyone else just a tad disappointed that neither Wilkin or Amor were part of the commentary set up for this one?
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| Watched it back got to say unsung heroes of Powell and Crowther. What a win.
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| Quote RoyalWire="RoyalWire"Another point to bear in mind was how we neutralised Walmsley. Every time he got possession we were in his face and not afraid to let him know. He normally returns for the last 20 mins against a tiring defence and looks a world beater. Yesterday they were forced to bring him back before 50 mins and he got battered again before leaving the field injured. As most of their go forward is on the back of him running over tired defence or little blokes they were a busted flush without him.
Anyone else just a tad disappointed that neither Wilkin or Amor were part of the commentary set up for this one?'"
Walmsley is in quite rapid decline. Catalans had him in their pocket all of last week. He is still a decent SL player but nothing like the threat he was. Brilliant moment when he went looking to bully Hayes and dropped the ball cold.
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| Also it is worth persevering with RedVee, I've just spent an enjoyable 15 minutes sing at the pre- and post-match content.
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| Quote just_browny="just_browny"Also it is worth persevering with RedVee, I've just spent an enjoyable 15 minutes sing at the pre- and post-match content.'"
Just had a read (as much as I could bear) and thought their horrible entitled tantrum nature was summed up with "after that pitiful display today, against a team that, let's be honest, we should beat".
They want Wellens' head on a stick.
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| I've not checked the stats but our completion rate must have been extremely high. In terms of discipline I only remember us giving away two penalties. 1 for offside on Clarke in first half and 1 for Thewlis holding down in the tackle when the game was won. Fitzgibbon's fantastic facial treatment of Welsby was great to see. About time we had that housery about us.
Need to back this up with a win against Leigh at home.
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| So I’ve reflected on it and my conclusion is…bloody brilliant display!
Tactics were right (neutralising the rush defence). The players were at the right level of enthusiasm without crossing the line into “headless chicken mode”. Fitzgibbon has just the right amount of niggle while still being an excellent player.
Our right edge is starting to gel, and now that Dufty has learnt to jump to catch the ball following Jiffy’s on tv coaching hopefully he will continue to do that (I did think he was actually tackled in the air once…).
Harrison immense, Williams magnificent, Hayes quietly but efficiently doing his job, Ashton now the leading winger in SL in my opinion.
And will Saints finally accept that they stopped being “The Entertainers” a long time ago? No wonder their supporters think the game is boring, it certainly is the way they play it.
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| Wonder what Phil Clarke thinks about Dufty now. Called him for not being a good enough fullback, some of his passing this season as been sublime.
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| Quote Captain Hook="Captain Hook"And will Saints finally accept that they stopped being “The Entertainers” a long time ago? No wonder their supporters think the game is boring, it certainly is the way they play it.'"
Saints are still a decent side, and could still beat us on another day, but there's no reason to fear them now. They look like a team in need of a rebuild. There was a time when yesterday's game would only have felt safely wrapped up in the final few minutes, but to be honest, once we went 19-8 ahead, I couldn't see Saints scoring another two converted tries.
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| Just generally this 'next man up' mentality is really refreshing. Under Powell especially he would often talk about players missing etc and as a club - and a fanbase - for a looong time we've focussed on what players are missing for us having a massive impact on the game. Whether that was no creativity without Briers or no go forward without Vaughan.
The structure you attack with is really important, rather than relying on one specific person to create something from nothing - credit to Glees i guess?
Burgess just shrugging off players missing with the media must give the squad players much more confidence in themselves that they can go out and do a job. It helps of course having the younger squad players being able to do a job, but again they are being given experience and confidence by not shifting senior players about so we have the most experienced 17 out there, rather than playing a younger player in a specialist position.
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| I thought Jiffy was over the top criticising Dufty for the Saints try. The kick was covered by Ashton on the left wing & then it got a wicked bounce. Dufty dropped a high ball in the first half but otherwise he was fine. I do love old Jiffy though & even went to see him & had a chat with him a few years back (he loved his time in Warrington) but I'd give him some stick over that one. The FB cannot be everywhere & has to share duties with his wingers.
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| Quote Alffi_7="Alffi_7"The structure you attack with is really important, rather than relying on one specific person to create something from nothing - credit to Glees i guess?'"
Hell yeah, huge credit to Gleeson. The difference in our attacking structure and threat level this year, compared to what went before, is like night and day.
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| Quote The Speculator="The Speculator"Saints are still a decent side, and could still beat us on another day, but there's no reason to fear them now. They look like a team in need of a rebuild. There was a time when yesterday's game would only have felt safely wrapped up in the final few minutes, but to be honest, once we went 19-8 ahead, I couldn't see Saints scoring another two converted tries.'"
I think the game will give our lads so much confidence especially good to see the younger lads holding their own in such company. I don't think Wood, Holroyd & Hayes (for example) would be expecting this at the start of the season.
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| Quote The Speculator="The Speculator"Hell yeah, huge credit to Gleeson. The difference in our attacking structure and threat level this year, compared to what went before, is like night and day.'"
We look organised and dangerous with the ball. Remember when all we had was a high kick to King under Price? Then under Powell nothing in the opposition 25m.
That gets me thinking what Powell must be reflecting on when he sees a display like that? All things happen for a reason though and perhaps Powell did his job by clearing out a lot of players and we certainly made a few excellent signings on his watch.
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| Quote Douglas Black="Douglas Black"Monaghan
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Kevin Penny still the most exciting for those first few months though.'"
Kev Penny invented these spectacular leap tries.
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| Quote rubber duckie="rubber duckie"Kev Penny invented these spectacular leap tries.'"
Do you remember the "Ryan Air" moment?
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| Quote rubber duckie="rubber duckie"Kev Penny invented these spectacular leap tries.'"
You can date this type of try back to c2010 when the rules were changed so that touching the corner post was no longer counted as being 'in touch'. Wingers, from all clubs, immediately started to practice their 'leaping salmon' technique.
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| I suspect that MR FITZGIBBON will rapidly become a player that the opposition fans hate and we worship…it has been a while!
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| Quote Wires71="Wires71"We look organised and dangerous with the ball. Remember when all we had was a high kick to King under Price? Then under Powell nothing in the opposition 25m.
That gets me thinking what Powell must be reflecting on when he sees a display like that? All things happen for a reason though and perhaps Powell did his job by clearing out a lot of players and we certainly made a few excellent signings on his watch.'"
I think Powell had exactly the same goal as Burgess: to bring some humility to the side.
I think the difference is that Burgess is able to relate to the players far more easily, and hence is getting them to buy into his mentality. I also think that Powell wanted too much control over all aspects of play, whereas Burgess puts more trust in those around him to coach whilst he manages the big picture stuff.
Long may it continue…
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| Everything is rosy on the back of a big win and rightly so, let's enjoy our victory an excellent performance from 1-17 particularly bearing in mind that it probably wasn't everyone's first choice team. Let's not get too cocky and forget the start we made under Powell and what happened after it.
However, Burgess and his coaching team seem to have a very different approach to man management and the playing team look like they have bought right into it and are playing for each other. They really seem to be enjoying their rugby and with that comes trust that they are all pulling in the same direction and long may that continue.
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| Quote Uncle Rico="Uncle Rico"Everything is rosy on the back of a big win and rightly so, let's enjoy our victory an excellent performance from 1-17 particularly bearing in mind that it probably wasn't everyone's first choice team. Let's not get too cocky and forget the start we made under Powell and what happened after it.
However, Burgess and his coaching team seem to have a very different approach to man management and the playing team look like they have bought right into it and are playing for each other. They really seem to be enjoying their rugby and with that comes trust that they are all pulling in the same direction and long may that continue.'"
Wise words. Keep expectations grounded and take each game as it comes. I for one am enjoying watching us again. We are tough, gritty and full of flair.
The Warrington we are used to, after a wonderful game like that, would fall flat on their face against Leigh. Let's hope we can keep the intensity.
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| Quote Wires71="Wires71"Wise words. Keep expectations grounded and take each game as it comes. I for one am enjoying watching us again. We are tough, gritty and full of flair.
The Warrington we are used to, after a wonderful game like that, would fall flat on their face against Leigh. Let's hope we can keep the intensity.'"
There's a bit of balance needed isn't there? I didn't want to come across in any way negative, as I can't tell you how chuffed I was with that performance.
The big deal for me is, I too like the look of what we seem to be trying to achieve beyond this as a one off and having watched it back listening to all the post match interviews with so many young lads out there, we just might be onto something....fingers crossed.
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