Maybe the secret of success is to have your best coaches at youth & academy levels to identify & produce future quality players. Warrington tend to bin what we produce. instead of nurturing them at the top level ,& are happy to spend over the odds on empty quick fixes that are usually just here for the money.



Our great grandson has started rugby training already at St Helens & he is a month short of his 3rd birthday. Arthur Ford ,star of the future ?

Exactly that. Let Wrench and the other youngsters learn some harsh and valuable lessons this season. We’re winning nothing this season but if we want to close the gap over time then patience with the young players will go a long way towards doing so. Burgess will have the patience, so should we.

I don't think the cup is out of reach with a generous run-in. I can see this being a 2018 type year. Start slow, become defensively sound without offering anything in attack, then finish half-decent. We're nowhere near Top 4 but if we slowly improve we can be mid-table with a good cup run. Hopefully we'll sort our attack before next year.

Wrench has got something that many haven't got & you can't learn ... pace. So worth working on.

I bet he will be going through all sorts of decision making practices to work on his defence.



Reality is however that if he did start losing us games he'd get picked out as a defensive weakness by other teams & he wouldn't be kept in the team for long. The odd mistake would be tolerated but only so much. I think all clubs would be the same. Wigan will have left out lots of youngsters over the years. Wrench is not Harry Smith different players different skills.

As mentioned earlier, we could swap sides for King and Wrench. That would give teams less reason to specifically target one side. It's not just Wrench's pace, it's his footwork and passing. Not many centres who can create tries these days, and certainly no other ones at this club.

Absolutely

There is no substitute for size and pace.

Pack size and backs pace.

That doesn't fix anything though it just moves the problem from one side to another and creates more problems as now king and wrench have to form a defensive partnership with their new defenders, AND a new attacking partnership as well

Ashton may see more (some) ball outside Wrench.

I suspect Ashton is going to have to generate quite a few of his own tries this year but I also think Fitzgibbon will prove quite helpful for him in that respect.

Don’t see how that’s a yellow card.

Hull KR pooping the bed here! Good old Barry McDermott just used a new word on me, "tempetuous", guess a mix between impetuous and tempestuous! Ahh got to love the RL brain's trust.

Dean Cross could have cost Salford this. Stupid to hold back Burgess. Gives the impetus to KR

Had to laugh. Barrie McDermott saying 'you need intelligent agression'.



Pot

Kettle

Black

Lmao I know they playing London but Bullock and Russell should be in our 21.

Both shown up very well so far.

Clearly not in Burgess’s plans though.

And Russell just got binned.

Bullock would probably be in my squad although I thought our interchange props were pretty good on Friday. Russell wouldn’t make my squad.

I'm not so sure about that.

It does make sense to have them playing and when injuries or poor form takes its' toll they could well come back into the reckoning.



I think Lindop was chosen over Matty because Matty was only just coming back from injury and hadn't had any game time.

Showing his wares at Hull could well be to his advantage.



Similar with Bullock.

I'm not sure exactly what extra Sam is looking for from him - but he's the coach and I'm just a punter.



A few years ago Chris Riley went on loan to London only to come back and cement his place in the team.

I'm sure it's tough on them, but how they react says a lot about a player.

In particular I think Matty has really matured since his first stint with us.



Good try for him today - will do his confidence the world of good.

Are London improving or are Hull really bad.

The way the Hull fans cheering that try you would think they just won the grand final.

A bit of both, we were awful 2nd half, but the London kicking was near perfect.



First win since early August think the celebrations (I was there and it wasn't that much, even had some booing) were more relief than anything.



Thought both Warrington players showed up well, both showed more enthusiasm that a lot of the other Hull players and run every hard, hope we can keep both for the season.

I don’t think so. I think Sam has their cards marked.

Lindop was given a 4 year deal by Sam and Chambers before the season started.

I think that flags who is in the winger pecking order.

Can we have an interpreter for Jones Buchanan, please?