That means almost nothing if they don't have drive and aggression. See Bullock, Sangare, Dudson, Karl Pryce, Kibula

*sighs*

Only aggression I saw from Dudson was punching a centre before he joined us. Kibula was a big girls blouse.

Comments above re drive and aggression are spot on. Holroyd is a great example of this, more so in defence than attack though. We need at least 2 of our young props to play consistently aggressively and well enough to raise the performances of Musgrove etc.

If Holroyd improves (and only by a bit) he is going to be undroppable.

He shown the club that he is 100% committed by tuning down a great opportunity i think he will be rewarded for this and he will only improve with more first team opportunities.

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Long term full back ?

Think it’s where he prefers, but thinking Taylor-Wray probably the future for that spot now.

Erm have you seen Taylor-Wray?

Developing as a winger in the Tommy Makinson mould (Without the squirrel grip thankfully).

He played all his career at full back prior to getting into our 1st team and could cover there again if necessary.

As other posters have said though, CTW is the heir apparent for our fullback position.

He's got so much attacking skill & quick. Very exciting prospect from the (limited) amount I've seen.

He’s got lots to learn of course but Dufty needs to be as good as last season to keep him out. He looks absolute class.

I’d go Thewlis at FB and CTW on the wing.
CTW would like Ashton have more attacking opportunities on the wing.
It seems to look more balanced that way to me.
The pace out right if we had Lindop and CTW could be something.

You could say the same about Dufty then as he and CTW have similar characteristics and skill sets. You want your best attacking players to get their hands on the ball as much as possible IMO, so full back is CTW’s position for me as things stand.

I would hope Luke Thomas will step up. John Kear said " he doesn't have a handbrake", and from what I have seen he has the controlled aggression and determination to succeed. Hopefully the coaches will be adding the black art of the prop to his skill set and we will see him making the bench in the coming year.

Returning to the discussion on FB position, I think Thewliss has a fantastic attitude and puts his neck on the line at every game. But.... I don't think he is a winger. Its tough when you have someone of the quality of Matty Ashton on the other wing because inevitably you are drawn to make a comparison, but I don't think he is quite fast enough and all too often he steps left to avoid the cover rather than go for the corner. I am wondering if perhaps Taylor Wray could develop into a HB. I have certainly seen him join the attack and make long miss out passes to the flanks and of course he is an elusive runner. That's a long way from playing HB of course.

Rumours of Harvey Livett. He was crap ages ago I’ve seen nothing since.

I’d have him back in a heartbeat.

There isn’t a player better equipped to be on the bench than Harvey.

Can play every position very well, and can kick a ball as good as anyone.
A Swiss Army knife.

You sure you should be drinking

Agree 100% strange one that

A very rusty one that does all the jobs poorly

Yeah he looked so good in pre-season, a very visible step up from what i'd seen previously. Accelerated in to each defender and hit hard, i was looking forward to seeing him in the first team, so hopefully will get some game time with Okoro


And on the Harvey Livett stance..... absolutely not.

Harvey Livett isn’t a bad player, he is a good squad option. But for me his signing would be similar to the signing of Minikin, it would highlight a gap in our youth system that I hope we have solved. I wouldn’t want to sign Livett just because it could take away game time from the likes of Holroyd, Whitehead & Tupea.