That lad Karl Pryce at Quins looks a good prospect. Scored 3 and set the other up against Bradford today. Wonder if he is available?

Nah, got a heart the size of a pea. He only had to fall over to score them. Besides, he looks like he doesn't want to play, just loping around stealing a living. Never a Wigan player. Thank fook we never saw any potential in him and signed him from Union when he was crocked.

You think what Leeds did was effective on him?



Did you see his chip over the top? He moved to 6 in attack and took hold of the game, the Leeds players stood off him.



He ran straight through the line to set up for the kick at the end. They tried to niggle him and he kept coming back at them and Leeds didn't like it. He then kicked the goal to draw the game, do you really think he would have done that if Leeds had 'got in to him'.



From a Wigan POV, the best way to deal with Sam is how wire did. Simply read when he is running around the back and put two men on him and get your centre to cover if he gets the ball away. Easier said than done though.



He made the Leeds team look stupid, Cross, Danny B, Bailey etc. were at him all game, it didn't get to him, this is why we all know and all other fans know he is the hottest prospect this country has seen in the backs for a VERY long time. He will not go hiding when we play Aus, he will win games for England in future because of his ability to deal with the pressure and the niggles. Last season Ablett tried to take his head off, I have seen big forwards go off the field for less than that and he got up.



All the fuss about Tomkins tells me one thing, it is a sign of respect. It is not a player people hate for being an idiot like Bailey or Hock when he returns or even Newton when he hit Long...... Tomkins is a talent and every fan of every other team wishes they had a young player just as good.... if they don't wish that then I dare them to watch what he can do to teams and then come back and tell me the same.

In an ideal world for me our best 17 next year would be:



1. Sam Tomkins

2. Darrell Goulding

3. Matt Cooper - 2 year deal to come and teach Charnley the way, goulding would score another 20+ alongside him. just what we need.

4. Tom Briscoe - 3 years, great player. would love to see him in cherry and white.

5. Pat Richards

6. Brett Finch

7. Tommy Leuluai

8. Stu Fielden

9. Micky McIlorum

10. Paul Prescott

11. Ryan Hoffman

12. Liam Farrell

13. Sean O'Loughlin



14. Gaz Hock

15. Joel Tomkins

16. Lee Mossop

17. Jeff Lima/Harrison Hansen

Tim Smith rumoured to be signing for Hull next year, good signing or not?

All I can remember of his time at Wigan was that he was a fatastic passer but the worst defender I have ever seen.

And then some.



Couldn't tackle a paper bag.

Yep superb in attack blooming awful in defense tim smith he was like a turnstile spinning off tackles lol

Those who hate Sam because "he's a snide, he's a cheat, he's a rat" etc, are newcomers to the game. Pure and simple.



They clearly have no memory of the same pattern existing with Long, with Edwards, with Gregory, with Alex Murphy, etc.



If any of these players had been gash they'd have been ignored, for all their antics. But the combination of attitude and superlative talent made them the huge personalities they were, and made the opposition massively envious (which was the real explanation for the dislike).



They were also hated by the thicker end of the fan spectrum because they were tough enough to ride out the rough and dirty challenges of pantomime villains like Ben Cross - which, given that Cross is big and Sam is small, just doesn't compute to those who'll never understand that's it about more than size, it's also about heart and guts. In truth, Sam is relatively easy going by the standards we're discussing. If Cross had tried that stuff with Andy Greg or Alex Murphy, he'd have been decked.

I'll add Bishop, Woods, Goulding, Miles, Friend, Freeman. All good halfbacks, with the exception of Bishop who was crap and Miles was was a great, who would have given as good as they got within the laws or outside of the laws of the game.

Abysmal signing. The worst defender I have ever seen in Wigan colours. Makes Richie Mathers look like Adrian Morley.

Mathers is a much better defender than Tim Smith. Thats how bad he is. Tim Smith could not tackle to safe his life and defenitley the worst ive seen in a Wigan Shirt.

Can you imagine Smithy, Long and Gleeson all at Hull at the same time?



What a strange way for Kath Hetherington to announce that she never wants to hold a position of responsibility in any sport ever again.

Hmm, how do you apply to be a landlord/bookie in Hull?

And Danny Tickle.

Although it would give Agar some more excuses...

Thanks for the opinions, I knew his defence wasn't great, but to be honest we are more in need of a halfback who can kick, pass and organise, as we dont (and havne't since Cooke) got someone who can do this.



I do worry about his off the field behaviour, we seem to get rid of one and then sign another, Long hopefully wont be here next year though.



Again not about Gleeson would really improve our team, but too much baggae maybe?

RFL confirms Gareth Hock clear to return to training with Wigan - but remains ineligible to play until June 23.

Tom Briscoe to the rhinos for 2012

I hope lenegan gets the cheque book out and signs briscoe for us how much you reckon he is worth £100k

National Minimum Wage.

100k for Briscoe? Massively overrated for me.



Looking at some of the performances this season Ratchford is the player I'd open the cheque book for.

I'm a big Briscoe fan. But before I get all excited about the fact that he may or may not be available to the highest bidder. I severely doubt Hull FC would be prepared to let him go. No matter how much cash is offered.

I'm with you on that one Priestman.

Not just this season either - he's been doing it for 18 months now.