If you're seriously writing Lockyer off as "another ageing Aussie", then you're setting your sights so high that, frankly, you'll never be satisfied.



The state Wigan are in at present, I'd sell half the first team to get someone as good as Lockyer, and that's before we even take into account the fact that we're desperately lacking a midfield general, a role he would fulfill on one leg.



I can't buy into this long-term partner stuff, because I think it's idealist fantasy. Put another youngster alongside Sam now - someone like Myler, who would be young enough to form a 'long term partnership' with him, and it could be years and years before they're an effective enough unit to win us anything, in which time they may get battered and sickened.



Boundless youth is a good thing, but sometimes you need a bit of guile and experience. When we first signed Barrett, people said "it's another ageing Aussie". He then went on to dominate SL and get us to two Grand Final semis virtually on his own.



If Lockyer or Orford were available, we'd be crazy not to snatch their hands off. We'd be especially crazy if we didn't do it purely through the assumption that somewhere out there is a brilliant young stand-off who no-one else has noticed yet, and who's just waiting for 12th-placed Wigan to come along and snap him up on a five-year contract at a knock-down price.

I posted this earlier on in the evening that expresses my feeling upon signing Lockyer or someone of that Calibre.







I definitely agree that Lockyer or someone or someone of that quality would have a massive positive effect on the club, similiar like you say to the effect Barrett had, however it may take the first 2 months for whomever to form a good partnership with tomkins, and 2 months in what would probably only be a two year contract is a long time.



In the end we all have are own opinions of what would be best for the club, and I'm sure we'll find out soon of which opinion Lenegan is, although thats not to say which ever he chooses may turn out to be right, I certainly hope it is though for the sake of the club.

add a few tweeks . and you would be on a winner

We wouldn't be back to square one if we made use of someone like Lockyer to tutor one of our youngsters.



To be honest, I think this 'ageing Aussie' thing is massively overdone. It's especially overdone at Wigan, where the last truly 'ageing' Aussie we signed was Barrett, who, as we both agree, was the best stand-off in Britain for two years. (I suppose you could argue Carmont as well, but he made the dream-team in his first season).



You're right that it's important to plan for the future. But bringing in someone like Lockyer or Orford could be a crucial part of that. Imagine the positive impact on Sam if you had someone like Lockyer partnering him for two years. Imagine the impact on whoever his understudy was, if the deal was that Lockyer spent time with them both on the training park. It could be invaluable in the long-term.



Add to that the very good chance of Lockyer having a similar effect on the first team to Barrett, and he registers as a must-buy. Unless he wanted silly money of course, in which case we'd have to be sensible.

Agreed, but just because Orford's contract is up, doesn't mean he's 'available'.



After watching Myler play more and more I don't think his age is as much as a factor as first thought, his ability and maturity is beyond his years.

On Mylers performance against France he made 8 tackles and missed 4. It would be stupidity of the highest order to put him and Sam together so soon.

What about all the positives he added to the game? Especially in creativity in attack? The very thing which our team lacks.

Orford would easily be first pick



Finch / Kimmorley would still be better than currently, where we don't really have a 7.

Myler!! Orford is too old, Finch isn't good enough and Kimmorley would need a big pay off to come to SL! not worth it at his age...

Whats all this about needing a number 7???

Isnt Tommy a number 7? I know Ive been on holiday, but did we sell him?

We already have 2 hookers so I think Tommy is best utilised at 7 and he is young enough to provide a long term partnership with Sam for many years

2 more props please IL as a priority (LMS and an Aussie) and let the backs play, and show what they can do behind a winning and not dominated pack

Is going to Warrington.

Nope

Never ever ever.

How do you know this? Seriously, so far is all just talk.

I was told?

By? come on you can do it!

Why? What does it matter, its a rumour like any other, I believe the person who told me, but what is the point in getting into a keyboard warrior argument about who knows what.



IMO Myler will be a Warrington player next seaon.



Why dont you offer a destination for him? I can only assume you think Hull as S Long will be there also.

Ooohhh someone doesn't like being asked where they are getting their info from!



Hardly a keyboard warrior, I was simply wondering where you got your info from. Not exactly a argumentative comment.



If you would have said IMO I wouldn't have asked.



P.S The Long comment was very lame, and childish.

He was playing behind a dominant pack.

What did you think of his performances against Wigan?



Missing 30% of attempted tackles is not good enough.

NSW Origin team for game two:



Kurt Gidley, Jarryd Hayne, Michael Jennings, Jamie Lyon, David Williams, Trent Barrett, Peter Wallace, Brent Kite, Robbie Farah, Michael Weyman, Ben Creagh, Luke O’Donnell, Paul Gallen



Interchange: Craig Wing, Justin Poore, Glenn Stewart, Anthony Watmough



Shadow players: Tom Learoyd-Lars, Joel Monaghan, Josh Morris







barrett

When he played against Wigan for Salford his pack weren't dominant like when he played for England, and personally though he did OK against us, and true 30% missed tackles isn't good enough but the guys still young and still learning and he must be doing something right after all he is England's current number 7.

A good comparison for me would be Tim Smith and Myler, both not good in defence yet Myler when I've seen him is far more consistent and doesn't get lost in games unlike a certain Tim Smith, plus the guy seems very mature for his age when playing or being interviewed.



Yes it would be a risk to sign Myler and partner him with Tomkins in fact in an ideal world it would be nice to sign Orford as well, to guide the two youngsters through games for the first two years but sadly that wont happen, we'll find out soon enough Im sure what Lenegan and the new coach have in plan.

In a mid season friendly perhaps.



Rob Burrow is Englands current No7

Have you seen him play this year?

He's dragging the Sharks up almost single handedly... ahh the memories!

Not at this rate, Burrow was poor in the world cup(yes I know everyone else was) and the guys been struck down by a lot of bad injuries, for me stemming from that shoulder charge he received from Watmough in the WCC. Since then when he has come back from injury he's been no where near the form he was for Leeds last year.

If Burrow doesn't recover from injury and a big loss of form then Myler will ware 7 in the four nations, not ideal at all but who else do we have.