If LandS is picking on last year and International performances then Watkins should be nowhere near International selection. His wingers got four passes in total in three games.

That isn't an international match so the game wasn't that intense and Farell may have been able to get outside and attack the centre or halfback, he won't be allowed to do that against Australia.When he played against NZ last year he was totally bullied out of the game.

I actually don't think he is better than Ward and definitely wouldn't swap them but I understand that Ward hasn't fully proved that yet for more than one season.

I think that is a bit harsh given the lack of ball and space the outside backs were given, if he just passed his winger the ball in a narrow channel against an international team they would have got bundled into touch.

However I agree that in game 3 last year he left his hands at home (although he did beat Whare 1 on 1 a couple of times)



Also if we were picking people based on last year then Williams and Widdop would be left at home

Faz is 100 per cent a better player at this stage, it's not even arguable. I see your point though, Ward clearly has talent and hopefully he can stay fit next year and we'll see if he's close led the gap on Farrell.



As for the main point, he should be nowhere near the England squad at the moment imo.

Pretty pointless arguing any point really when you'll have an answer for everything. Farrell is a fine player, a better player then Ward without question and has his Harry Sunderkand trophy sat on his mantle piece to back that up as well as inclusions in previous dream teams (when he played more then half a season).



If you go over to the England thread on the VT you'll see that I've praised Ward, Ferres and Hall and defended their inclusions in the squad so it's certainly be not being biased to suggest Faz is a better player then Ward. It isn't even close at the moment (but it probably will be one day).

I wouldn't lose a second's sleep if no Wigan players were picked.

No Farell, Feres or Ward. Navarette starts for France.

Good to see Navarette hammer James Graham in the first half and for scouse Jimmy to spit his dummy out pointing at him.



Mixed bag from Navarette overall. He looks very raw and he's been targeted in attack but he's shown some impressive aggression in defence.

Look I can see why you think farrell is better as he has been consistently good for a few seasons now, but I genuinely believe that a fully fit Ward (and he isn't fully fit atm) has more strings to his bow and I wouldn't swap them. Im not being blindly bias and would happily swap Ablett or Ferres for Bateman. Many Leeds fans believe that Ward should be made captain soon, although I appreciate you haven't seen as much of him as we have.



Btw, I actually didnt want Ward to be picked in the squad as I would rather he had a full preseason under his belt to get his body right and maybe even bulk up a bit more.



This is all irrelevant to the point I was making anyway, regardless of how good Farrell is in SL, he is too skinny to play second row internationally

Aside from the fact that Wards tiny for an international back rower I don't disagree with much of that.



I'm a fan. I actually backed him on your own board about 18 months back when he was taking a panning for being a lad who just defends. He reminds me a little of Sean O'Loughlin in the way he's come in to the first team with a big rep but it'll take time to find his feet. When he does though both Leeds and England will have a fine player on their hands (but for some he won't be flashy enough).

You might have misread some of the comments on our board, I ,like a lot of fans, think he IS 'flashy enough' but isn't been given the licence to play as much as he should. In the academy he was a 6/13 for most of the time.



As for him not being big enough internationally, you might be right but I think players like him and Bateman who aren't the biggest play the game with enough aggression to compensate, unlike say Currie or Farrell



This debate all looks irrelevant anyway because it looks like Ward is either not match fit or not in Bennets plans based on him not laying yesterday, whilst we also seem to be playing Cooper and the burgess twins as back rowers

I didn't mis-read them, he was getting lots of stick with a number of people saying they didn't know where his rep had come from. The comments were that he could defend but that he offered nothing in attack and that reminded me a lot of the stick that Lockers used to take when he first broke in.



You're probably right in that at that point he wasn't given enough of a licence to play but I think there's also an element of confidence. It must be hard as a young player with a huge reputation at academy level to come in and just play your natural game because you don't want to make mistakes. That confidence to play his way has come with games and a bit more experience. Sadly for him he's not played as many games as he would have liked due to injury. I really hope he can get a full season in next year and kick on because he could be a good player for England.