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| Quote roo67="roo67"1 its to stop the nhs being overwhelmed.
2 it speeds up the process to herd immunity
3 herd immunity needs 70 to 90% vaccinated to be effective.
4 sage supply data asked for by the government.
5 14 as of this morning
6 its government trying to control us,it big pharma to make millions its big tech to make millons, its a way to trace us, ect.. ect ect.'"
Thanks for your answers but they were posted for Natahan.
1. The NHS is overwhelmed every year it needs managing properly.
2. Well over 90% of the adult population has been vaccinated so why have we not achieved herd community?
3. See 2.
4. Well they shouldn't be because the data gives an incorrect position and it has always been wide of the mark, Google Professor Ferguson to see his stupid predictions.
5. Massive in the scope of things.
6. Do you believe in those conspiracy theories or is believing in Father Christmas more realistic.
So, based on your answers lockdowns and restrictions are not necessary?
I think Wales have got it right. No sport, no work just take a trip to the pub 
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| Quote roo67="roo67"1 its to stop the nhs being overwhelmed.
2 it speeds up the process to herd immunity
3 herd immunity needs 70 to 90% vaccinated to be effective.
4 sage supply data asked for by the government.
5 14 as of this morning
6 its government trying to control us,it big pharma to make millions its big tech to make millons, its a way to trace us, ect.. ect ect.'"
To add to No5 - Yes there are people/outlets who got some numbers wrong recently in the media/government etc. and 90% of people going into Hospital are not Unvaccinated - The figure is more like 35% - However the %/No per 100,000 of unvaccinated being hospitalised is something like 5 x times the rate of vaccinated people i.e. and I'm just throwing No's here so don't pick holes in them!
If there are 50 million vaccinated There may be 2000 a day being admitted
If there are 5 million not vaccinated there may be 700 a day being admitted
If 55 million hadn't been vaccinated there would be nearly 8000 a day being admitted and so on the number further down the chain in ICU & then Deaths would increase.
However - The number of people going into ICU I believe is more like 87% unvaccinated.
What I will predict is that people will use the methods/reasoning in the answers you provided in Answer no6 and twist & manipulate more numbers and figures to try & suit their Anti Vax, Anti Government (I hate them BTW, but that should not alter how we view the scientific evidence & Data), Anti MSM (This one really makes me laugh!!!) blah blah blah agenda.
What will happen is people who want the answer to be different will use Whataboutery and it's impossible to keep up with it. because to ask 100 stupid questions takes 10minutes - To provide 1 accurate Fact may take Hours!!!
If anyone is undecided please don't look at anything I or anyone else on here has written, go look at REPUTABLE SCIENTIFIC outlets etc. to make your mind up. But be careful, there are always the Andrew Wakefields of this world out there.
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| What’s covid on your aunts death certificate got to do with you having the vaccine, or not?
Condolences for the two losses you’ve suffered.
I understand the link you’ve made with your grandad but for the life of me I can’t fathom why the aunt thing means you shouldn’t have a vaccine and therefore I can’t do feck all in my day to day life, now?
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| its been the same for over 100 years in this country, if you've died during a pandemic ONE of the causes of deaths goes down as that, on the certificate there can be more than one
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| Quote Azul="Azul"What’s covid on your aunts death certificate got to do with you having the vaccine, or not?
Condolences for the two losses you’ve suffered.
I understand the link you’ve made with your grandad but for the life of me I can’t fathom why the aunt thing means you shouldn’t have a vaccine and therefore I can’t do feck all in my day to day life, now?'"
Exactly.
Don’t think that Pie_Eyter really knows what he’s saying or the reasoning. Makes no sense at all.
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| Germany and Israel looking at second booster.
JCVI in the UK are looking into it.
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| Quote TheWarringtonWolve69="TheWarringtonWolve69"Anti vaxxers are just attention seeking bellends who listen to discredited doctors on you tube who are also seeking attention'"
Coming from an absolute gimp like you that is high praise so thank you. 13 pages of bollox and finger pointing before i posted so hardly attention seeking is it. I hate this Anti-vax label. i have given you reasons why i am not taking it. Only people with a complete lack of intelligence would challenge it. It's my choice and it has cock all to do with anybody else.
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| Quote Azul="Azul"What’s covid on your aunts death certificate got to do with you having the vaccine, or not?
Condolences for the two losses you’ve suffered.
I understand the link you’ve made with your grandad but for the life of me I can’t fathom why the aunt thing means you shouldn’t have a vaccine and therefore I can’t do feck all in my day to day life, now?'"
Firstly thank you for your condolences. It wasn't made up.
I don't understand why it was on there. It isn't what she died of so why declare it as that? It's manipulating the figures for whatever reason. The goal posts keep moving on covid deaths, soon it will be 'withiin 1 year of a positive test etc etc' We have to move on. Where are we in relation to 2 years ago? nowhere. If it wasn't in the media nobody would be even talking about it. And the people saying my sources are from youtube etc etc, you are the stereotypical brain dead morons i was talking about. Do a bit of research.
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| Quote Pie_Eyter="Pie_Eyter"Firstly thank you for your condolences. It wasn't made up.
I don't understand why it was on there. It isn't what she died of so why declare it as that? It's manipulating the figures for whatever reason. The goal posts keep moving on covid deaths, soon it will be 'withiin 1 year of a positive test etc etc' We have to move on. Where are we in relation to 2 years ago? nowhere. If it wasn't in the media nobody would be even talking about it. And the people saying my sources are from youtube etc etc, you are the stereotypical brain dead morons i was talking about. Do a bit of research.'"
Erm. Right.
Let’s try again. One more time;
What does it have to do with you having the vaccine or not?
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| Quote Pie_Eyter="Pie_Eyter"Firstly thank you for your condolences. It wasn't made up.
I don't understand why it was on there. It isn't what she died of so why declare it as that? It's manipulating the figures for whatever reason. The goal posts keep moving on covid deaths, soon it will be 'withiin 1 year of a positive test etc etc' We have to move on. Where are we in relation to 2 years ago? nowhere. If it wasn't in the media nobody would be even talking about it. And the people saying my sources are from youtube etc etc, you are the stereotypical brain dead morons i was talking about. Do a bit of research.'"
What is the UK governments incentive to manipulate the figures?
What is any governments incentive to manipulate the figures?
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| Quote Pie_Eyter="Pie_Eyter". It's my choice and it has cock all to do with anybody else.'"
You are wrong. Again, I repeat, When your decision and other flat-earthers has the potential to affect the health and freedom of myself and my family, I have every right to comment.
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| Quote nathan_rugby="nathan_rugby"Exactly.
Don’t think that Pie_Eyter really knows what he’s saying or the reasoning. Makes no sense at all.'"
I think the same goes for you Nathan, I am still waiting for you to answer the questions I posed!!!!
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| Quote nathan_rugby="nathan_rugby"What is the UK governments incentive to manipulate the figures?
What is any governments incentive to manipulate the figures?'"
You seem to be suggesting that there are conspiracy theories at work?
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| Quote nathan_rugby="nathan_rugby"Germany and Israel looking at second booster.
JCVI in the UK are looking into it.'"
Don't tell the lockdown king, Mark Drakeford.
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| We were told by the Health Secretary that the number of Omicron cases would double daily, therefore we should have seen 1.2 million people infected today. Guess what we have not!!! If that is not bad enough, the first man to die of Omicron as announced by the PM didn't!!!
There is a lesson to be learned here by the Government don't believe all that you are told and check your facts. Maybe listening to Professor Ferguson and his friends is not to be recommended!
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| Quote Sweaty Betty's="Sweaty Betty's"We were told by the Health Secretary that the number of Omicron cases would double daily, therefore we should have seen 1.2 million people infected today. Guess what we have not!!! If that is not bad enough, the first man to die of Omicron as announced by the PM didn't!!!
There is a lesson to be learned here by the Government don't believe all that you are told and check your facts. Maybe listening to Professor Ferguson and his friends is not to be recommended!'"
Even though Omicron is (based on current evidence) less severe than other variants, in the absence of some Level of restrictions and factoring in the infection rate, it’s possible that hospitalisations and even deaths go higher than they’ve ever been.
You do realise that?
Just because it’s statically not as bad, that isn’t a reason to just let it run ragged. Hospitals could get over run, public services depleted etc.
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| Quote nathan_rugby="nathan_rugby"Germany and Israel looking at second booster.
JCVI in the UK are looking into it.'"
I saw this how many boosters are they going to expect people to have though I wonder before people just say enough?
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| Quote nathan_rugby="nathan_rugby"Even though Omicron is (based on current evidence) less severe than other variants, in the absence of some Level of restrictions and factoring in the infection rate, it’s possible that hospitalisations and even deaths go higher than they’ve ever been.
You do realise that?
Just because it’s statically not as bad, that isn’t a reason to just let it run ragged. Hospitals could get over run, public services depleted etc.'"
You are sounding like SAGE, let's deal in facts not what might happen. The information is available to predict what will happen you simply don't want to believe it. Now if they have got the number of people being infected with Omicron wrong do you think, just for one minute, that they could have the number of hospitalisations and deaths wrong? By the way, how many people are in hospital and how many have died with this extremely deadly variant? What has happened to the number of cases in South Africa and London? Why has the population of Sweden not been wiped out due to their carry on as usual stance?
I await your answers with interest but I don't expect any and if I do get a response then they will have no evidence to back them up!
By the way can you please respond to the questions I previously posted rather than cherry picking what suits you?
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| Quote Sweaty Betty's="Sweaty Betty's"You are sounding like SAGE, [ulet's deal in facts not what might happen. The information is available to predict what will happen you simply don't want to believe it. [/uNow if they have got the number of people being infected with Omicron wrong do you think, just for one minute, that they could have the number of hospitalisations and deaths wrong? By the way, how many people are in hospital and how many have died with this extremely deadly variant? What has happened to the number of cases in South Africa and London? Why has the population of Sweden not been wiped out due to their carry on as usual stance?
I await your answers with interest but I don't expect any and if I do get a response then they will have no evidence to back them up!
By the way can you please respond to the questions I previously posted rather than cherry picking what suits you?'"
is that not the same thing??
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| Quote Pieman="Pieman"is that not the same thing??'"
Sorry, I don't understand.
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| you said lets deal in facts and not what might happen then said the information is there to predict what will happen
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| Quote Pieman="Pieman"you said lets deal in facts and not what might happen then said the information is there to predict what will happen'"
Fair comment mate.
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| Just seen a tweet stating that the French government have recently ruled that all pro sportsmen & women have to be double jabbed to participate in French sport. Interesting times, I'm sure each UK team will have at least one player affected.
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| Quote MattyB="MattyB"Just seen a tweet stating that the French government have recently ruled that all pro sportsmen & women have to be double jabbed to participate in French sport. Interesting times, I'm sure each UK team will have at least one player affected.'"
No. Currently it’s only domestic players
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