No Dave when we lose its the players fault when we win its the coaches credit.

Maybe he wouldn't. Will you be hoping Salford win next week?

people like jonh seem to be happy when we r struggling, gives him something to post, you'd think if he didn't like watching WRLFC he'd stay at home and watch comic relief

I honestly find it very hard to support a team that i think is being failed by its coach, am gutted tonight but how long must we stand for the poor performance, and poor tactics, and lack of improvements?

Not true at all quite the opposite. I hate watching it. I hate it so much i am willing to accept failure for the greater good.

I appreciate that you have little time for Brian Noble but can I ask you one question please?

If Noble were to be sacked who would you have in charge, realistically?

I appreciate your sentiments, that's why I stayed out of the argument on here a few weeks ago. I would never wish a Wigan team to lose though, it's a difficult situation.



When Wigan lose, it's all doom and gloom. When we win, we are the best thing since sliced bread. Sadly, we always look for a scapegoat and this season it's Nobby. Whether that is right or wrong, remains to be seen.

Covered many many times.



Folks

Murray

Hanley



to name a few



Would love to see Aston given a shot at a SL team.

Hanley???

would he stay for the long term...no. as much as I loved Hanley as a player he is a money grabber and would be here for 2-3 years at the most

Folkes??

Defence orientated and would get slated by some Wigan fans for not playing enterprising rugby

Murray?

He's been here and done that...oh no let me think again, he's been here and not done that.

Would we need more than 2 or 3 years?



Noble is defence orientated but is simply gash at it.



Murray, sorry do not understand the point?

well if Hanley doesn't win anything in 2 years (sorry weeks) people will be jumping on his back wanting him sacked, who would take over from Ellery after the 2 years, another change in coach??????



Noble is 'gash' at defence?????......sorry mate but it ain't the coach who misses the tackles (when Kirke broke through tonight Fielden and tommy, nowt to do with noble)



murray...you don't understand what? it is greame murray you on about?

Hanley would have respect of the dressing room.



Noble coaches a defence that can defend against a flat attack, with a deep attack the wide players have yards to run at there opposite number with no pressure on them. See the Bailey thread of last week, see Bailey get shown up tonight due to his lack of mobility and pace.



Murray who turned Leeds from nearly men to a Championship winning team?

Up and hold the line. As you say against a deep attacking line the defense has no chance, one example being the amount of time Burrow had to make the kick for Halls try, however as a player ( even I know this as an amateur) if you see a deep attacking line then surely you must make the decusion to get up fast and cut down the options in attack. Leeds line speed this evening was superb and they forced numerous errors when you had the ball. I don't rate Noble as a coach and never have done but some blame must lie with the players too, at the end of the day you play whats in front of you and change accordingly.

all your opinion that I will disagree with...goodnight god bless chief, I'm going to bed had enough of the doom and gloom merchants like you xxx

I await a response on why Murray is not up to it in the morning,

Yea, he shouldnt have played Carmont if he was ill.



Hock needed reigning in tonight and that didnt happen.



We hardly touched the ball for 25mins, by that time, the game was lost.



The unforced errors CANNOT be attributed to Noble.



The test now comes next week and what changes are made?!



Did you have a nice time in America Dave? I missed you

What championship did Leeds win under Murray?

A Challenge Cup final and a Grand Final Spot.



I really wish you would deal with the issues rather than try to pick fault in arguments.

because again how long was he in England, like any other Aussie coach he would use Wigan/England as a stepping stone to get to...cowboys etc...look longer term than 2-3 years, now that is it I'm going to bed, good night. hope we've not fallen out, can't beat a good healthy deabte but....I'm right x

Does it matter how long a coach is at a club as long as they bring success, or are you happy with having a coach who will stay at the club but exceed in mediocrity?

So he's not blameless then? That is a start!







Considering it was for work, yes I did thanks. Need to go on the wagon for a week or two. Bloody freezing though. -10c and -14c not uncommon and we had a 12 inch snowfall due to what the locals call "the lake effect" whatever that is.



Dave

I wasn't. I just couldn't remember them winning anything. Monie did him at OT! Relax a little pal.



Murray improved Leeds no question, but seemed to go backwards the longer he was at the Cowboys.

True but I also mean the players, they are 100 times better players than I am and can make decisions much quicker than I (I assume anyway) but many times this evening Wigan held the line instead of rushing up and cutting down the attacking options, OK thery may have been told to defend this way but as a player if what you're doing isn't working surely you take it upon yourselves to rectify this and change your tactics (with or without the coaches consent). I've been involved in games where the tactics employed by our coach were wrong, our captain has stood up and told us to change and things have improved, the coach was man enough to admit he was wrong and praised us as a group for sorting things out between ourselves. Everyone gets things wrong but its how you react to your failings and also admitting them that determines how good a coach you are, this in my opinion is where Noble fails, i get the feeling its my way or the highway with him but your senior players need to stand up and open their mouths in a way which does not undermine the coach, could Noble take it on the chin that he's got something wrong? do the players have the balls to question him?

Given the stick you and others have dished out to my opinions i would suggest in hindsite it is you that needs to chill out.



Its a reality check big time. Everything was wrong tonight from BN and everything was right from BM.