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| Quote kirkamania6="kirkamania6"Don't think Leeds back row looks half as frightening now Ellis has gone'"
I agree, i would like to think we could deal with them all without too much fuss if everyone played well. Lauitiiti is the only one I think would cause us problems.
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| I dont think Hocks discipline is that bad. Cant remember many high shots from him, or the last time he was in a fight.
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| Quote sgtwilko="sgtwilko"hock has had 1 good game'"
He was great against Harlequins
You seen any other Wigan games this season by the way?
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| Quote finchy17="finchy17"I agree, i would like to think we could deal with them all without too much fuss if everyone played well. Lauitiiti is the only one I think would cause us problems.'"
Aye
Watch Ablett score the winning try now though
Sorry couldn't help it 
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| Quote finchy17="finchy17"I agree, i would like to think we could deal with them all without too much fuss if everyone played well. Lauitiiti is the only one I think would cause us problems.'"
i love it! like ive said, you wigan fans ya like manic depressives! your high as kites or suicidle.
hahahaha
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| Quote kirkamania6="kirkamania6"He was great against Harlequins
You seen any other Wigan games this season by the way?'"
about same amount as you seeing JP
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| Quote sgtwilko="sgtwilko"i love it! like ive said, you wigan fans ya like manic depressives! your high as kites or suicidle.
hahahaha'"
that is the crazyest comment ive read, how does that relate to this?
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| Quote sgtwilko="sgtwilko"totally disagree! ali lauitiiti for me over hock anyday and jjb as a pure 100%er
hock is rocks or diamonds, he helps ya lose games as much as he wins em
again its just an opinion im not trollin
peacock has played backrow as much as prop this sl season too(2 games out of four
)! is hock better than JP?'"
Lauititi will give you the odd great play, but in terms of hard yards and collisions he is miles away from Hock. Hock is far quicker in defence I feel.
JP is a prop, he may play in the second row, but still plays as a prop.
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| Quote sgtwilko="sgtwilko"about same amount as you seeing JP'"
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Well from the 3 games I've seen of Peacock and the 2 televised games you will probably have seen of Wigan I think Hock has been better
That ok for you? 
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| Quote odemwingie="odemwingie"Lauititi will give you the odd great play, but in terms of hard yards and collisions he is miles away from Hock. Hock is far quicker in defence I feel.
JP is a prop, he may play in the second row, but still plays as a prop.'"
it was said with a wink
but what a great little post!! go back to 06 and my god the amount of traffic about the reverse of your statement" JP will never be a prop" lololololol
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| Quote sgtwilko="sgtwilko"it was said with a wink
but what a great little post!! go back to 06 and my god the amount of traffic about the reverse of your statement" JP will never be a prop" lololololol'"
But we arent in 06 though.
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| Quote finchy17="finchy17"But we arent in 06 though.'"
easy there tiger!! lolol i was just talking about the irony of the post!! how times have changed en all that.
if you lot think hock is better than JP feel free to do so but i bet your the only supporters in world rugby that do.
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| Quote sgtwilko="sgtwilko"yeah ok fuzzy!! good to see your full of beans. dont have too juch sugar tonight!! you will never sleep.
these world betters up until a lucky win at quins and playing well against the worst bulls team ive ever seen were not fit to wear the shirt. wigan fans are off the hook
but good on ya all. its nice to see ya get up for a game'"
Or in other words you have no real answer to to the argument presented to you. Fair enough but why didn't you just say that in the first place and saved us all a lot of time.
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| Quote Phuzzy="Phuzzy"Or in other words you have no real answer to to the argument presented to you. Fair enough but why didn't you just say that in the first place and saved us all a lot of time.'"
im not really sure what that argument is now as it was about 1pm this arvo???? things have moved on a bit since youve had ya dinner mate! where now at hock is better than peacock. im sure you could chip in here
remember not too much sugar
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| Quote sgtwilko="sgtwilko"see thats it! i would only pic 1 maybe 2 of those 5 infront of ablett
and non infront of jjb and ali
but obviously that me been a leeds fan.
the main reason i wouldnt want hock anywear near the team is because of the huge chip on his shoulder'"
And therein lies the weakness of your argument. You see all Leeds players as better than anyone else. You quote two GF winning coaches as picking Ablett as a reason why he is better, yet when one of these coaches had the choice between your back rowers and ours at International level, he chose ours..and that includes JJB. Strange isn't it?
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| Quote odemwingie="odemwingie"Hock is miles better than any of your second rowers though.'"
Are You Kidding Me?...
Jamie Jones-Buchanan & Ali Lauitiiti By Plenty... 
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| Quote Phuzzy="Phuzzy"And therein lies the weakness of your argument. You see all Leeds players as better than anyone else. You quote two GF winning coaches as picking Ablett as a reason why he is better, yet when one of these coaches had the choice between your back rowers and ours at International level, he chose ours..and that includes JJB. Strange isn't it?'"
Game set match Phuzzy? 
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| Quote Phuzzy="Phuzzy"And therein lies the weakness of your argument. You see all Leeds players as better than anyone else. You quote two GF winning coaches as picking Ablett as a reason why he is better, yet when one of these coaches had the choice between your back rowers and ours at International level, he chose ours..and that includes JJB. Strange isn't it?'"
there lies the weakness in your argument dear boy!! you have the wrong poster. i never said that i think it might have been DISA
be a bit more thorough mate
jjb got an england call up for the world cup after 4 games back from a half season injury, which isnt bad going really.
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| Quote sgtwilko="sgtwilko"im not really sure what that argument is now as it was about 1pm this arvo???? things have moved on a bit since youve had ya dinner mate! where now at hock is better than peacock. im sure you could chip in here
remember not too much sugar'"
The argument is the one you clearly lost. Selective memory I see. Figures. 
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| Quote kirkamania6="kirkamania6"Game set match Phuzzy?
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well it would be if he had the right person fnar fnar 
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| Quote Phuzzy="Phuzzy"And therein lies the weakness of your argument. You see all Leeds players as better than anyone else. You quote two GF winning coaches as picking Ablett as a reason why he is better, yet when one of these coaches had the choice between your back rowers and ours at International level, he chose ours..and that includes JJB. Strange isn't it?'"
And look what good that did!!
Hock was great for you against bradford but as yet he's to prove his worth over a full season IF he could do that and keep his head straight then you would have a debateable point re-him v ali and jjb.
I think Hock had/has the potential but not the consistency or temprement.
Maybe this season he will prove any doubter's wrong but 4 games into the season i'd still take Ali and Jjb over him any day of the week.
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| Quote Phuzzy="Phuzzy"The argument is the one you clearly lost. Selective memory I see. Figures.
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mate whats your problem the argument about coaches and all that was another poster not me!! i just felt ablett was a little better than a pie fans left nut.
we had got this thread back on track until you you turned ya XBOX off
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| Quote sgtwilko="sgtwilko"there lies the weakness in your argument dear boy!! you have the wrong poster. i never said that i think it might have been DISA
be a bit more thorough mate
jjb got an england call up for the world cup after 4 games back from a half season injury, which isnt bad going really.'"
Which you agreed with. Be a bit less selective with what you remember mate. Remember the Leuleui argument or shall I remind you?
Not bad at all. Still doesn't negate the fact that our backrowers are all international first choices. Plainly your arguents hold as much water as a Tim Smith Scotch!
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| Quote kirkamania6="kirkamania6"Don't think Leeds back row looks half as frightening now Ellis has gone'"
True but neither do your backs without barrett!!
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| Quote rhinoms="rhinoms"True but neither do your backs without barrett!!'"
But now S Tomkins is here 
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