There is literally no way of knowing that. You cannot test for that due to the differing factors

So you can't statistically measure it ?

Yeah ok



Seems quite easy to me

***5 million unvaccinated - 1000 in ICU/Die

***50 million vaccinated - 2000 in ICU/Die



You are far more likely to end up in ICU/Die if you are unvaccinated



*** Made up numbers for illustrative purposes

You are missing the point, it isn’t a comparable test based on age, weight, medical history. Plus, if you are vaxxed you can’t then be unvaxxed to see what would have happened and vice versa.



The fact that you have put a bunch of made up numbers in for illustration means absolutely nothing.

What’s age and health conditions got to do with it?

I don’t think you understand the point being made.



The below will help.



Yes or No do you agree with the following?



1 - you are more likely to be hospitalised with covid if you are unvaccinated

2 - you are more likely to end up in ICU if you are unvaccinated

3 - you are more likely to die from covid if you are unvaccinated

It has everything to do with it.

It’s not black and white/yes or no generalised like that. This is the whole point I’m trying to make.

if you think old age and pre existing health conditions are not a factor / you are arguing for the sake of it / the average age death rate due to covid is about 80 / go figure

Of course he does!!!!!



But if you had 1 or 10,000 or 100,000 or 1milion similar health conditioned people each of Vaccinated & unvaccinated then there would be more unvaccinated in ICU/Die



If you are trying to make out that the only reason the higher per capita of people dying unvaxxed is because medically they are more at risk and thus are more susceptible to experience issues then that is one MASSIVE step (Sorry Itchy for the caps).



As an individual each has their own right to do what they want



As a society it is 100% fact that statistically you are far more likely to end up in ICU or Die if you are unvaxxed as compared to a similar aged/Health etc. person who is vaccinated.

The key word here being “similar” even then I still can’t see how anyone can claim that as fact.



Do you have any evidence other than anecdotal to say this is true.



Before you do, can we please define what we mean by vaccinated is it 1, 1 and 2 or 1, 2 and 3?

omicron is less deadly than flu so stop over hyping the situation thats the point here / more elderly unvaxed may be in icu and snuff it yes I agree but leave the rest alone who are young fit and dont want jabbing thats all

Is that point not because so many people are vaccinated?



Hence the importance of knowing the figures for those in hospital who are unvaccinated…