So you believe it when somebody else says it

I said there's bugger all chance of us signing Carney, he hasn't contradicted that

No you never, you said "Madness! Get him in the halves for Wigan ", in other words you think it's madness that Rocky is leaving and you want him to go into the halves at Wigan instead of Castleford, that's how i read it

Exactly. His best chance looks to be an occasional outing at full back, but we'll see.

What's that got to do with whether i believe your Carney rumour?

I was on about my Hampshire rumour

Which i said never said was wrong

Well i read it wrong then, i apologize Grimmy

Hurrell staying with NZW www.sportal.com.au/league/nrl-pr ... njppuuncml?

Hurrell staying with NZW www.sportal.com.au/league/nrl-pr ... njppuuncml?

I doubt we'd ever considered him given a) a supposed attitude problem and b) he's an overseas player who'd cost a lot of money.



Anybody any idea if Sarginson is staying and if so, when is he likely to be fit?

I have been told by a very source that he has signed for Bath.

His current injury is a bad one and I can only assume that the news hasn't been announcement until he has been given a clean bill of health. Bath are happy for him to recover using the the backup team at Wigan.

The same source tells me that Charnley also wants away preferably to Union.

Together with Burgess that 3 of our starting three quarter line up from last season.

I can only assume that unless there are signings that Tierney will step up to the first team.

Not sure where Gelling stands re the disciplinary issue prior to the GF.

For me we desparately need at least one new centre and another winger preferably one of whom who can kick goals. I believe we did approach Pat to come back for one season but the Catalan deal from a tax point of view was to good for Pat to turn down.

As much as I like Bateman he isn't a centre and he gets more involved when he plays in the forwards which for me is much better for the team.

I hope that IL and KR have got some plans to bridge these gaps in the three quarters.

But Charnley and Sarge are still Wigan players. All just rumours.

RU salary cap rises to £6m, then £6.5m, then £7m over the three seasons after this. We haven't got a prayer.

Might as well make Wigan Warriors a RU club and join them! Derby day v Sale!

Which is why IL leaves an open door for players who leave....



I can see a Wigan RU side in the not too distant future.

Maybe it's the only way we could ever reach our potential.....



I'd personally love us to be an NRL franchise side. A few months camped over there with a block of home games over consecutive summer weeks. With the increased cap space we could target the majority of the English talent with a best of both worlds type offering - NRL rugby with a primarily UK fixed location.



A kind of Super 14 set up of sorts.

The Daily Express carried the same story about the increases in the Rugby Union Salary Cap for the next couple of seasons it went on to say.

[u"An investigation into breaches of the cap last season have resulted in appropriate financial settlements, rather than points penalties for the Clubs involved" [/u



Its as if the Union are saying to the Clubs you can do what you want as long as we get a cut.

15 S Tomkins

14 Manfredi

13 J Tomkins

12 Lockers

11 Charnley

10 Williams

9 Micky Mac

8 Ben Flower

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I struggle after that!

I think there's a real appetite among the bigger RU sides to scrap or increase the cap further.



Ourside of the international side they have a cracking European competition. The only issue is that, uncapped French sides are dominating it with the ability to bank role big money moves for the best players. Cash rich sides like Leicester are desperate to match them.

Smith could play 7 and Gelling and Sarge would make it also. 11 players from a squad of 30 or so isn't a bad start imo.

I meant as well as, not instead of!!!! I damn near choked on mi pie!!!!

Never mind finding players, would we have enough Hoorey Henries in Wigan to watch the team ? , I also think Mustard Tiger should be allowed back to add his well balanced views to this discussion.

Williams is far too entertaining to play at number ten in Union.



Sir Kev will be perfection! He will kick from the hand, kick goals and kick drop goals and that's basically all you need to be considered a good fly half.



Sinfield would be a hero worshipped, 100 cap, multi millionaire if he had moved over to Union around the time of Johnny Wilkinsons retirement.

Nicky I think you are right with your assessment of Sir Kevs chances in R/U, as long has he hadn't been tainted by Rugby League beforehand.

All talented players but none would set the RU world alight in that formation. We have seen that Joel was quickly overtaken in the pecking order by the likes of Burrell. Manfred and Charnley suit RL and strong running wingers are ten a penny from the South Sea Islands. Lockers is less of a centre than JT. Mickey Mac is not going to challenge as a scrum half in union, and Flower is just the wrong size and shape. The only real prospect would be Williams.

The crux of the argument seems to be that any RL player is so much better that they could walk into an RU team and we know that that rarely works. An alternative argument would be that most RU players could be taught RL if we got them early enough and vice versa. For the likes of Charley that boat has already sailed.