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| Quote {Hogan}="{Hogan}"Yes, and i also noticed after every try we scored him and tommy where stood together chatting about the game.'"
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| Bailey is the second best centre at the club overall. Considering we have 2 centres spots he probably should get one.
With the way we played against bradford, I'm really hoping we can repeat the performance and give Leeds a good go.
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| Quote Red Hot Jalapeno="Red Hot Jalapeno"I said for ages that Baileys best games for Wigan have been at centre. I was made up when Noble put him back there last week. This was another thing Jonh (super coach) thought he knew best on telling everyone that Bailey would no longer work at centre for some unknown reason.'"
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| Quote jonh="jonh"Go back and reread my posts on this issue, your obsession with me is becoming quite flatering by the way.
I said Bailey struggles against pace in the backline this is further compounded by the fact we used this move 2 forward and hold defensive line, we certainly have not used this as much in the second half againsts Quins or as much against Bradford, where we moved forward and met them, holding just prior to contact rather than holding 5 feet from contact.
The defence we play works against a flat ball game assuming we do hold closer to contact, but is still risky when a team plays a deep backline, like Cas and Trinity did as we hold too far from contact and it gives the ball handler time and space to get up to speed or make a decision.'"
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| Quote Red Hot Jalapeno="Red Hot Jalapeno"No amount of technical jargon and back-tracking will disguise the fact that you rubbished the few of us who said we needed to move Bailey back to centre.'"
sorry for posting a valid response to yours filled with analysis and reason, how silly of me.
I would also like to see where i "rubished" it, i simply said that under the systems we were employing i did not think it would work, seems to me until we changed this system it did not. My issue was with allowing defenders time and space to run at him, when they have on several occasions including against Quins he looked totally lost, against Bradford we cut down the space and it worked well, so again rather than trying to use it to have a pop, you actually prove my concerns were well founded. Thanks |
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Bailey playing in the centre backed up Tomkins excellently, it gave Sam the confidence to attack his defence and move forward with confidence knowing that Bailey provided back up.
Had Goulding been their, it may have been different with Morrison attacking that side of the park.
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| Quote jonh="jonh"icon_lol.gif sorry for posting a valid response to yours filled with analysis and reason, how silly of me.
I would also like to see where i "rubished" it, i simply said that under the systems we were employing i did not think it would work, seems to me until we changed this system it did not. My issue was with allowing defenders time and space to run at him, when they have on several occasions including against Quins he looked totally lost, against Bradford we cut down the space and it worked well, so again rather than trying to use it to have a pop, you actually prove my concerns were well founded. Thanks
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Youve lost the plot man!
You said Bailey could no longer play centre yet now your trying to twist it to an argument about the defensive structure.
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I always thought he was at his best playing outside Phil Collins.
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| Quote Red Hot Jalapeno="Red Hot Jalapeno"Youve lost the plot man!
You said Bailey could no longer play centre yet now your trying to twist it to an argument about the defensive structure.
I really do wish you would become head coach of Wigan Jonh because you dont half talk a cracking game and youve already told us you know more than Noble.'"
Go back over my post, again and read what is there re Bailey, i think his defence out wide has been poor thus far, which is compounded by the poor defence structure, its all there for you in black and white.
Or are you saying his defence this season has been good in games other than the Bradford one?
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| Quote jonh="jonh"Go back over my post, again and read what is there re Bailey, i think his defence out wide has been poor thus far, which is compounded by the poor defence structure, its all there for you in black and white.
Or are you saying his defence this season has been good in games other than the Bradford one?
Again the only person claiming that i know more than Noble seems to be you, i think your bitterness is compounding your ability to reason.
You are unable to respond to a reasoned argument just respond with silly statements.'"
Baileys defence has been poor? So has everyones at one point or another up until the Bradford game!
You have claimed in the past that you could do a better job than Noble on more than one occasion when you have been ranting about how poor a coach he is. You claimed the reason he won things with Bradford was down to pure luck!
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| Quote Red Hot Jalapeno="Red Hot Jalapeno"Baileys defence has been poor? So has everyones at one point or another up until the Bradford game!
You have claimed in the past that you could do a better job than Noble on more than one occasion when you have been ranting about how poor a coach he is. You claimed the reason he won things with Bradford was down to pure luck!
And you have the cheek to say im coming out with silly statements!'"
What has other peoples defence got to do with Bailey's? As i stated on several occasioni think the systems we used were a major contributor to his weaknesses.
I predicted the Cas and Quins backs would hurt us, especially Shenton in the Cas game, did i come on screaming i told you so, no clearly as i am not an egomaniac.
Nor did i see fit to run home from the game to post bitter nonsense.
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| Quote jonh="jonh"What has other peoples defence got to do with Bailey's? As i stated on several occasioni think the systems we used were a major contributor to his weaknesses.
I predicted the Cas and Quins backs would hurt us, especially Shenton in the Cas game, did i come on screaming i told you so, no clearly as i am not an egomaniac.
Nor did i see fit to run home from the game to post bitter nonsense.
The bit in bold is a total falicy but then again i expect nothing less when you are struggling to back your stance.'"
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No you are wrong i am Jonh super coach and Bailey would be a disaster in the centre he is too slow and has aged badly since he last played there! |
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| Quote Red Hot Jalapeno="Red Hot Jalapeno"No you are wrong i am Jonh super coach and Bailey would be a disaster in the centre he is too slow and has aged badly since he last played there!'"
I questioned his ability to deffend there given what i and everyone else had seen with there own 2 eyes prior to the Bulls game, i also stated that the systems in defence we used were not helping this, systems which have now changed, or at least did for the second half of the Quins game and the Bradford game, something you completly choose to ignore, as it does not fit with your petty name calling.
I look forward to the quotes where i stated I was a better coach than Noble, and his success at Bradford was purely down to luck by the way. |
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this is nearly as funny as the statue subject. What time the handbags coming out ?
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| Quote mooster="mooster"this is nearly as funny as the statue subject. What time the handbags coming out ?'"
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You did not 'question' anything Jonh as this thread proves. You shot down the idea of Bailey playing centre saying he was too slow and running on dead legs. You did not mention the defensive systems being used so i have 'chose to ignore' (as you put it) nothing. Basically you just rubbished the idea of Bailey playing centre as you think you know it all. Once again you have been proven wrong.
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You did not 'question' anything Jonh as this thread proves. You shot down the idea of Bailey playing centre saying he was too slow and running on dead legs. You did not mention the defensive systems being used so i have 'chose to ignore' (as you put it) nothing. Basically you just rubbished the idea of Bailey playing centre as you think you know it all. Once again you have been proven wrong.
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| Things are Hotting Up Now!
How Will Jonh respond?
Will he come back with More Evidence to contradict the Undisputable evidence served up by RHJ!
Will he come up with his own indisputable evidence to prove that he was right all along?
Will RHJ over do his Victory, become complacent & allow Jonh to steal a late victory!
Will Jonh disappear Never to be seen again?
Who Knows? Only Time will tell but please don't forget to tune into the next installment of "Lost"! ( I certainly am, can't remember who said what Now! )
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I said play Bailey at centre Prior to the Leigh friendly to Rogues!
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| Quote Rogues Gallery="Rogues Gallery"Would I lie to you.
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You did not 'question' anything Jonh as this thread proves. You shot down the idea of Bailey playing centre saying he was too slow and running on dead legs. You did not mention the defensive systems being used so i have 'chose to ignore' (as you put it) nothing. Basically you just rubbished the idea of Bailey playing centre as you think you know it all. Once again you have been proven wrong.
I shall find the thread where you stated Noble won everything by pure luck and you could coach better than him. Give me time.'"
On the face of that performance against Wakefield it was a dead right call, given he was skinned twice in the wide channel which lead to 2 tries, which cost us the game, i am sure if you have gone back over my posts you will have come to the ones later maybe a week after when i said his defence is a liability out wide, given the systems employed.
I am not sure when he moved to centre first against quins maybe where he continued to leak tries, in fact in the face of 5 performances now he has defended well in a game and a half, hardly shoring up the defence. The only times he has defended well are when the line has closed the space on the opposition something i called for all along.
Feel free to keep digging around i am happy for you to do it, but if you come across the posts that support my argument please post them as i am really not that sad to go over them all.
Interesting comparison by the way, especially the missed tackles.
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You did not 'question' anything Jonh as this thread proves. You shot down the idea of Bailey playing centre saying he was too slow and running on dead legs. You did not mention the defensive systems being used so i have 'chose to ignore' (as you put it) nothing. Basically you just rubbished the idea of Bailey playing centre as you think you know it all. Once again you have been proven wrong.
I shall find the thread where you stated Noble won everything by pure luck and you could coach better than him. Give me time.'"
On the face of that performance against Wakefield it was a dead right call, given he was skinned twice in the wide channel which lead to 2 tries, which cost us the game, i am sure if you have gone back over my posts you will have come to the ones later maybe a week after when i said his defence is a liability out wide, given the systems employed.
I am not sure when he moved to centre first against quins maybe where he continued to leak tries, in fact in the face of 5 performances now he has defended well in a game and a half, hardly shoring up the defence. The only times he has defended well are when the line has closed the space on the opposition something i called for all along.
Feel free to keep digging around i am happy for you to do it, but if you come across the posts that support my argument please post them as i am really not that sad to go over them all.
Interesting comparison by the way, especially the missed tackles.
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