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| Quote Asim="Asim"The best "defence" of his drug taking I've heard is that his first positive test was faked to frame him, and the stress etc from that led to him ending up developing a problem with them. I haven't laughed so much in ages, but the guy was deadly serious.'"
Hahahaha! That is definitely something they'd make up to protect their golden boy. Hahha.
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| How come Vermaelen hasn't had his ban increased?
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| Quote Lord God Jose Mourinho="Lord God Jose Mourinho"
For me it's always best to laud the players who actually win things. Winning things is the only thing IMO. Being the best player to win FA is really pathetic IMO. Total Football Holland shouldn't be championed because they were the best side not to win the World Cup, they should be ashamed that they didn't use their talent to achieve what should have been their objective.
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That argument works when applied to teams less so for individuals. Would you rate Roger Hunt higher than George Best on the basis of his vastly more succesful international career? Some fairly average players have been fortunate to play bit parts in a team that won plenty of trophies eg Sammy Lee. It doesnt happen so much these days, but some excellent players didnt win many trophies because they remained loyal to a particular club eg Brooking, Shearer. That doesnt make them any worse in my view.
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| Quote Oldham Rhino="Oldham Rhino"How come Vermaelen hasn't had his ban increased?'"
Very good question. I thought the appeal for this sending-off was the absolute epitome of the word "frivolous"...unlike the FA to have double standards about something isn't it??? Sounds like Fergal was correct with his assessment of the FA disciplinary procedure last week after all 
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| Quote Ordsall Quays Red="Ordsall Quays Red"Very good question. I thought the appeal for this sending-off was the absolute epitome of the word "frivolous"...unlike the FA to have double standards about something isn't it??? Sounds like Fergal was correct with his assessment of the FA disciplinary procedure last week after all
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I think it was a genuine question of whether a red card and suspension was truly proper punishment for that incident.
ATM the rules say it is but they won't for very long.
There will be many, many examples of referees in that situation giving nothing more than a pen for that challenge. Some would give a yellow. Some a red. It's just down to the ref on the day.
Appealing against Ferdinand's 3 match ban though, that was beyond frivolous, it was taking the pi55.
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| Wolves absolutely destroying West Ham, they have been superb.
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| Well Valon, if you though the Hammers were [url=http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/2884281/Behrami-Its-just-two-bad-by-us.htmlsh*t against Bolton[/url it's be interesting to hear your thoughts about tonight lol
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| I think the classic Lee Dixon (?) own goal, where he just stroked the ball back to his keeper, but managed to loft it instead and watched it fly over a stranded keeper was one of the best own goals.
TBH that own goal just looks bent. There's just no reason for him to smack the ball towards his own line in that manner. It's not like he was pressured into playing the ball too quickly or forced into a challenge.
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| [url=http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Lionel-Messi-overtakes-David-Beckham-as-world-s-best-paid-footballer-see-the-Top-10-here-article365703.htmlBeckham no longer best paid footballer.[/url
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| David Moyes certainly loves to talk about City, doesn't he?
Maybe he thinks it will put him in Taggart's good books, in the hope that it leads to him being given the United job.
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| Quote Enfield Exile="Enfield Exile"David Moyes certainly loves to talk about City, doesn't he?
Maybe he thinks it will put him in Taggart's good books, in the hope that it leads to him being given the United job.'"
What's he said now?
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| Quote ParanoidAndroid="ParanoidAndroid"[url=http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Lionel-Messi-overtakes-David-Beckham-as-world-s-best-paid-footballer-see-the-Top-10-here-article365703.htmlBeckham no longer best paid footballer.[/url
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| Saves Mancini from having to deliver a pre match pep talk.
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| Quote Enfield Exile="Enfield Exile"David Moyes certainly loves to talk about City, doesn't he?
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It's only because you're big time now, innit?
Or it might be because 1. They're playing you tonight and 2. He's still bitter about the way you went about the Lescott transfer.
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It's an utter travesty that Beckham's held back by that skeleton he calls a wife. Why doesn't she just let him go so he can be with his soul mate - Anna Kournikova.
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| Quote Cibaman="Cibaman"Saves Mancini from having to deliver a pre match pep talk.'"
What has Moyes even said? I just watched his interview on the BBC site and he barely mentioned Citeh.
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| S'alright because when Everton beat city tonight we wont see EE on here again until City next win a game.
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Quote Lord God Jose Mourinho="Lord God Jose Mourinho"What has Moyes even said? I just watched his interview on the BBC site and he barely mentioned Citeh.'"
www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010 ... ester-city
I'm not sure how querying the opponents team spirit on the eve of a game helps a manager's team.
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I'm not sure how querying the opponents team spirit on the eve of a game helps a manager's team.
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| EE, you're the one with the obsession.
Everton play Man City tonight and he's been asked a question about City...and answered it...shock, horror.
Besides, what Moyes has said is true, in a nut shell, City don't have the same team spirit as what Everton do, which is true, simples.
Tottenham for fourth place please boss.
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| Quote Fresh Prince of Chesh-air="Fresh Prince of Chesh-air"EE, you're the one with the obsession.
Everton play Man City tonight and he's been asked a question about City...and answered it...shock, horror.
Besides, what Moyes has said is true, in a nut shell, City don't have the same team spirit as what Everton do, which is true, simples.
Tottenham for fourth place please boss.'"
It may well be true, and its to be expected that Moyes would make that point to his players in private. Its also a valid point to make publicly after a win. Not sure its that clever to make it publicly before a match.
And I'm sure that Moyes is sufficiently experienced at ducking questions he doesnt want to answer.
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| Quote Cibaman="Cibaman"www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/mar/24/david-moyes-everton-manchester-city
I'm not sure how querying the opponents team spirit on the eve of a game helps a manager's team.'"
For me everything Moyes says is pretty much spot on. I don't see anything there for Citeh to be offended by or respond to.
The point Moyes makes about the Citeh players not knowing what it means to be a Citeh player, I agree with. I'd even go as far as saying what it means to be a Citeh player hasn't even been determined yet. Before the Sheikh, there's every chance that SWP would have stayed for the rest of his career as a Citeh favourite. ATM he faces an unsure future because he just might not be good enough for where Citeh want to be. Is CL qualification going to be the benchmark of success for Citeh, or will Citeh only be happy when they are winning leagues and CL's?
But one thing I think Citeh can throw back to Everton. If the speculation surrounding Lescott lead to them being smashed 6-1 at home in their first match, and disrupted the start of the season, then honestly how good is the spirit inside that club? If Everton's spirit was as strong as they claim they wouldn't have suffered in the manner they did.
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