As for the previous posts linking Beye with Hull, I don't think Brown's moaning about the deal will have got him anywhere.



I reckon he'll end up at Villa, for what it's worth.

According to the HDM Beye is using us to try and get clubs like Villa and Everton interested and seems like he isnt interested in coming here.

Well he can stay where he is, I don't want him.

That the same Taylor who you said was better than Turner?





And also whos Kadar?

I was laughing at the players name I had highlighted, Taylor. He is another Bramble

I don't see the big deal about Turner, he's extremely average. I lost count of the amount of times last season where he ended up on his in the process of the opposition scoring. If he hadn't scored a few goals, there wouldn't have been anywhere near as much talk about him. Whilst Taylor isn't anywhere near the finished article himself, I'd still take him over Turner.



Kadar is a very highly-rated youngster who nearly made his debut in the first team last season before suffering a broken leg. Will almost certainly play a big part in our defence this season.

Some young numpty who couldn't even break into Newcastle defence, then broke his leg. He is so good he will be lighting up the championship next season.



But of course, Newcastle are still bigger and better than half of the premier league clubs.

If the stories of him being after a last big payday are true they might as well stay away. Trying to play clubs off to engineer a big money move suggests he has the wrong attitude to me, and perhaps puts him in with those Newcastle signings indicative of why they are in their current plight. Money grabbers who don't give a damn.

Of all the players to choose in our squad to say that about, you chose Beye. Dear me.

Turner had a much better season than that, and if you're honest you'll know so or you simply don't know what you're talking about. Yes, plenty got carried away with just how good, but he did have an excellent first season in the top flight. Much better than any 'defender' I saw in a Newcastle shirt.



Wayne Brown played a big part in City's in their promotion season. Doesn't make him any good.

Careful what you say, Ash will be foaming at the mouth if you dare to critizise the likes of Colloccini

Taylor

Beye

and Bassong, the last of which is half decent. Still Kadar and Nile will come good for em, in League one

I personally don't rate Turner that highly, although many of on here will see him more than me. There are about 10 or more english centre backs better than him in the premier league.

He wasn't being compared to Turner. By the way, our defence wasn't the problem last season, it was the midfield.

How did I know you'd be next to reply? Entirely predictable.

Do you think so? I don't remember your strikers firing either to be fair, although in fairness it doesn't help when your "Messiah"...sorry I meant manager plays a striker in centre mid.

I don't recall Owen, Martins, Viduka, Lovenkrands, Xisco or Ameobi ever playing in central midfield.

Has he, or has he not handed in a transfer request? Are the sticking points his price and wage demands or not? I reiterate, IF the wage demands and rumours about angling for a Villa move are true, it's another case of a greedy player just out for as much as he can get, probably having come about from the silly money your lot have been willing to throw at mediocrity in the past few years.

Neither was Kadar until you mentioned him, and for good reason.



If you think your only problem last year was midfield you're deluded. You were poor everywhere but in goal.

That normally happens on a public message board Ash, look Carl Spackler has just responded

Mixed really. Has a sketchy injury record, is coming from a pretty slow league and although he isn't small, he is pretty lightweight in the way he plays.



Has bags of ability, if he has the mentality to succeed over here, I think he will. I'm sure Rafa wouldn't spend so much if he didn't have the determination to cut it in England, but I do have my doubts.



Defour is a good, all-round midfielder. He's a little small but he doesn't let it show in the way he plays.

Handing in a transfer request sacrifices his right to a loyalty bonus. He wants to leave, simple as that. So instead of stringing people along, he's made it clear, which in my opinion, is the right way to go about things. Out of the full senior squad (the ones who've played, not just in there to make the numbers up), Beye is on one of the lowest salaries. There's a hell of a lot more dross in the squad that are being paid a hell of a lot more money.

So if you had the choice I am sensing you would rather go for Defour? I would not have thought Rafa would be wanting both players would he? Not unless Mascherano leaves which is fairly doubtful now I would have thought.

I think you need to read back and see where Kadar came into it.





And that's from somebody who watched us how often? I didn't say it was our only problem but it was our biggest problem by a long way.

You cant of seen much of us last season if you think he's "extremely average" he was one of the most consistent players in the league obviously he's gotta carry that on again this season to have anychance of going to the world cup.



Taylor on the other hand is only good at 2 things, sticking his hand up for offside every 2 minutes and his play acting on the goalline have to say that is world class





Taylor isnt the finished article and neither is Turner both have stuff to work on but based on the last 2 years i'd have Turner anyday of the week over Taylor as im sure most Premier League clubs would to