I did see something about that, you can't blame the lad for trying. He might as well try and get an extra few quid warming your bench instead of Villa's dressing room. I don't see how he's an improvement on them too, he probably isn't any worse I'll give you but I don't think he's much better. Course he'll be lucky to get a game, he couldn't get a game for Villa, he shouldn't be playing for you.







I'm not saying a lot of Everton fans are big Hibbert fans but He's better than Luke Young. The thing with Hibbert defensively he's better than most would have you believe, his tackling is spot on and he does have a bit of pace, he doesn't get caught out very often. You know the main reason why Everton fans arn't big Hibbert fans (I think despair is going a little OTT!) because he is going forward, he can't beat a man, his crossing is awful and he's never scored

because it's become the fashion that as a FB now you must be able to attack, it's crazy. But we have Seamus Coleman coming through, he is our next FB and believe me the lad is pure class. Now he is a complete FB.







That maths straight out of the Kop for you!

He played in 32 of 56 games. I'd say he actually started less than half of the 56. Also, I said "about" 50%. Of total minutes played by Liverpool last season I'd bet Torres didn't even do 50%



Edit - He played 1713 minutes in the PL. Without injury time 38 x 90 is 3420. Including injury time he played less than 50% of time for Liverpool.



There's kop maths for you!

Finally a reasoned debate on this subject (Not having a pop at you, just the smiley face brigade)



Football is all about opinions. ATEOTD Hibbert has never had a sniff of England recognition and no teams seem to have ever come in for him. Young has had both, in abundace. I know he isn't top drawer but I'd rather have him over Hibbert. You wouldn't, fair enough.



Seen a bit of Coleman and he looks excellent.

Always liked it, since the days of Hyppia and Henchoz.

The thing with Cole is he has never livec up to the hype surrounding him as a young player. Maybe an extended run in his favourite position may bring that out in him but I'm not convinced he'll ever be the player he was expected to be.









Though I'd still have Vidic over Agger dog leash or no dog leash!

I can understand people's reservations but even last season when he wasn't playing much, he still looked dangerous when he came on. Forgetting his goal, he was the bestplayer on the field at OT in the title decider for mine. Again, maybe I'm being too optimistic but we are desperate for some direction in the middle of the field and to take the pressure off Gerrard. For me, Cole is a great acquisition as he is hungry to prove himself. As Rooney said, he's the closest thing england has to a brazilian, and unless he was talking about his back, crack and sack, I'd take it as a complement!









So would I currently but I'm expecting big things of Agger this season.

Everytime?He's had the better of him twice. In 2007/2008 he was in the back pocket. We'll put an extra ball on for Gerrard next time so he can have a touch, either that or if he asks nicely Fletch he may let him tackle him.

In the last 2 years he's had 3 red cards against us and Torres has made him look fairly daft. Surely you can accept that?



We've won two out the last 4 and Gerrard didn't even play in one of them so Fletcher's done well to nail him. I always thought it was Anderson's pocket Gerrard had to get out of.

I agree Torres has the better the past 2 seasons, but he didn't get a sniff the year before that,

Djimi Traores won more than Dan Agger. Get real FFS.



Pepe Reina is in the top 3 keepers in the world, whether you like scousers or not.

PMSL. Even your scouse brothers will laugh at that. Not even top 3 in premiership.



Given

Friedel

Cech

VDS

Reina.



In that order.

You know I'm not that biased mate but Reina last season was phenomenal. He had a better season than all 4 that you mention, IMO. I'm happy to say that Gerrard was shat and would critique any other player but Reina was magnificent.

I've nevere understood it with Reina, I've never seen a game and thouygh "he kept them in that" or "if it wasn't for Reina they'd have lost" Granted you watch alot more games than me though.

You get them everywhere mate. I'll take that as a compliment









I'm not trying to claim Hibbert is wonderful by any means but not many wingers will get the better of him. I'll give you he's never been in and around England or had teams coming in for him but that shouldn't really put him in the 'oh he's ' category, defensively he can be very good. I just think as a defender he's better than Young. But I see where you are coming from.







He is mate, he's one of the best prospects we've had for a long time along with Rodwell. He looks like he has the all round game, he can defend as well as any young FB and he doesn't let himself down at the other end of the pitch either. Them few months at Blackpool last season have brough him on leaps and bounds, hopefully he'll get some more games this season too. I'd guess he'll feature in Carling Cup this season too.

Correct. Best in the Premier League, easily.

Coleman does look a very good prospect. I think he'll have learnt a lot from the bumming that Jonas gave him at SJP last season too.

oh aye, back in the PL are we, eh!

17 clean sheets in the PL last season would disagree with you mate. That's almost half the games he has kept a clean sheet. I would bet a lot of them are down to Reina's saves, plus no 'keeper distributes the ball like he does.









I'd go along with that.

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With Ashley's policy, we would have no chance of matching his wages.



Can see us scraping it and staying up.



Off last seasons form, and all considered squad improvements, we still easily have the measure of Blackpool and West Brom, which means we only need to finish above one other team - and as shown last year, there are a lot of poor and very inconsistent teams in the bottom half of the Premier League so I'm confident that come May we will be out of the bottom three. If we can turn St James' into an intimidating fortress that teams don't like playing at, then that could make all the difference.

You've brought this up a few times now but still haven't answered my question about who called him because it certainly wasn't me.