The names i mentioned have been in the team for quite some time now. Go back 3 years i'd say and they're all there in the team apart from Carrick. Even Evans was in the squad back then.

He was at Sunderland...

prior to that he wasn't near it as Pique was the back up defender or Silvestre, Brown, O'Shea.

God know's how these players cope with international call-ups.

I thought you mentioned the new lads because you were talking about an unsettled back 4, that's the reason I mentioned all of them that'd played at the back this season for us.

On loan for 6months was it? Still was in the squad before that.

I took the newer ones out. They will have unsettled the back four but haven't all played together in one match. There has been atleast 2 of the settled squad members in the back 4. Hasn't there?

Academy and reserves. not a regular squad memeber. Keep posting mate youre great.

Settled squad members, yeah. Settled defenders, no. That was my main point, it doesn't matter how long they've been at United, they'll have never trained as a defender or as a defensive partnership.

Friedel was underated for years because he played for a 'small' club but now he's moved to Villa everybody is realising what Rovers fans knew for years that he is one of the best keepers the premiership has seen.

Released by Liverpool, signed by Blackburn on a free. Signed by Aston Villa for £2.5m



What do you know that the managers of the top sides don't?

You're*



Dont the reserves train with the first team nowadays?

Occasionally, some get invited. Jonny 23 didnt then though as he was waaay down the pecking order. Class players can adapt and slot in at any club, Liverpool are failing because they overachieved last year, the match going reds will tell you the quality and depth of the squad isn't good enough, along with the injuries to Gerrard and Torres, Benayoun has stepped up though and been great.

Reserves and First team train together i thought?







I disagree with the overachieving part of last year. But the rest i agree with.

What's more laughable is all the United fans putting Fletcher in a premier league XI. Fletcher is a good, hard working player who supports the attack well, but Michael Essien is thrice the player Fletcher is, so are Gerrard, Lampard and Fabregas, whilst I'd still rather Ballack or Mikel in my team. If it was for pure defensive ability then Mascherano would be in over Fletcher. Fletcher's a solid player but the United midfield has been pretty weak for a while now, it's competitive and industrious, but there is little class or elegance there since Scholes has been moved deeper. Admittedly, Liverpool's midfield has lost the majority of its class since Alonso has gone, but I'm not arguing our midfield is better.

He's dominated Chelsea an Arsenal's midfield this season. Fletcher is world class. although I know you won't agree. Simply because he is scottish and not a fashionable name he doesnt get the credit he deserves.

Not really, I've said time and again that I rate Fletcher and he's by far one of United's most improved players over the years, it doesn't mean I think he's world class, though. He's a good player but I still wouldn't rate him among the world's best.

I'm afraid I can't really disagree with any of that. The loss of Alonso has been as big as expected and the fact that we're only just getting Carragher and Agger fit together has contributed as well.

But on form this season, he's better than Gerrard. Not Gerrard's fault, because he's been injured, but that's the reason I've not included Vidic in my XI.

Fitness means sweet F.A to good old Bevan Wire. Vidic and Robinho included in his almighty team.

It was a big 4 team. United, Chelsea, Arsenal and City.





If you wanted a premierleague team.



1.VDS



2.Johnson

6.Vidic

5.Terry

3.Evra



7.Gerrard

4.Fabregas

8.Lampard



9.Torres

10.Rooney

11.Drogba

We're already out of the top 4, are we? Almost as small time as the bluenoses with their week-long Rafa Beneathus antics

WUM attempt. To be fair to Everton, you are both going for the same trophies this season.

I know, I'm embarrassed.

So afterall that we disagree on 2 players?