We're already out of the top 4, are we? Almost as small time as the bluenoses with their week-long Rafa Beneathus antics

WUM attempt. To be fair to Everton, you are both going for the same trophies this season.

I know, I'm embarrassed.

So afterall that we disagree on 2 players?

Sorry, I thought by squad players you meant those outside of the first 11 who only come in as cover. I was meaning that there are some who are first choice for you who wouldn't be good enough elsewhere.

Paul Scholes has been the best English footballer of the last 20 years, doesn't mean I'd currently pick him ahead of Gerrard. And it remains to be seen if 'on his day' is a thing of the past for Carragher now.

Fair enough, we disagree.

Possibly right with Reina, I didn't really think of keepers as it's not really Liverpool's problem. Although being better than Almunia is hardly a glowing reference IMO.



Johnson and Sagna have little between them, both good in posession and suspect without. See above re Agger/Vermaelen, and Mascherano is very much the proverbial water carrier, I don't see what all the fuss is about. I certainly don't think he'd keep Fabregas out, assuming Gerrard is the other CM.

Arsenal play three midfielders. Masch is better than Song and Denilson who are both first choice regulars at Arsenal. With regards to Sagna and Johnson, they're kind of players who are opposites in ways. Sagna is solid defensively, quick and decent enough in possession, whilst johnson is terrific going forward but is lacking the brains defensively at times.

I think it's more about the standard of fullbacks in the current game TBH, which I commented on the other day in this thread.

I suppose it's just a different approach to the question. In Arsenal's current system, yes he'd probably get in the midfield 3. I was considering it as how many Liverpool players would get in as a whole, and for me that would mean a 4-4-2, as I don't see how you could leave out one of Torres or Van Persie.



I still think Sagna has some defensive issues as well TBH, dives in and commits himself a bit too quick at times IMO.

I'd play a kind of 4-2-3-1 but it isn't quite the same as Liverpool's. Masch would hold the midfield whilst Cesc would be a kind of box-to-box playmaker, with Gerrard playing just off Torres with RVP to the right and Arshavin to the left. Before this season, I'd have had Skrtel over most defenders in the league, I rated him so highly but this year he has been utterly woeful, he seems to have lost all composure, aggression and brains and ended up looking very poor. Vermaelen looks good but I still think a fit Daniel Agger is the superior player.

Eh, that was much longer than a week, many many months. We actually finished there remember so a whole summer of it









Dunno why, realistically we've been going for the same trophies for many years. You've never had a chance for the big ones

The Champions League/European Cup is pretty big.

Bang on about the league though

I agree, us and Everton battled for second last year and we're both battling for fourth this year.

I personally think someone like Mascherano would make a huge difference to Arsenal. They lack a general in the midfield and that 'bite' that sees them lose games they should be winning eg: United away earlier this year. Since losing Vieira and Petit Arsenal have become soft and it costs them big time.



He certainly wouldn't keep Fabregas and Gerrard out of a team but I would love someone like him behind them two to let them have free roles.

news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/footbal ... 407584.stm I bet he is gutted!!

news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/footbal ... 407584.stm I bet he is gutted!!

He has lost all confidence since his head collision with Carragher. He has not been the same player since.

Thought you were battling for the league last year? Not second?



Thought you were battling for the league this year? Not fourth?





At least you don't have a relegation battle on ya hands...then again some blues might be pleased with that. I don't often go to games anymore simply because i'm usually sat next to some clown.



When we drew with Wolves the other week someone said 'I don't mind if we don't win I wouldn't mind a relegation battle like the 90's' What a stoopid comment too make





Football fans eh?

Worst excuse ever. What do you expect? 95% of football supporters are clueless but it doesn't mean to say they are going to stop me watching my team.

One guy on one side of my seat is hilarious: he maintains a running commentary throughout games in a quite quietly spoken, very dry voice.

David James bringing out a DVD on goalkeeping mishaps.



How opt.

I suppose this season will be a new experience for you Dave, what with someone actually occupying the ten seats on either side of you

There's an awful lot of clueless idiots at our games these days. The old well at least we turned up and had a go shout is one that gets me. Some Blues will settle for a relegation battle an seein the struggle in everything.