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| Quote ST_CONROY="ST_CONROY"There was also a blatant helmet to helmet hit on Rodgers on the previous play to the last which would have negated our holding penalty (IIRC) meaning we wouldn't be in that position.
Also it's claimed (although i'm not sure on this one) that Fitz last TD was pass interference on him because he pushed Woodson over after the 5 yards.
ROBBED!'"
You're quite right on all counts. The refs in both games last night were such "homers" it was appalling.
On the 2nd Fitz TD it was blatant offensive pass interference and the roughing the passer call was BS.
I guarantee you this, if its' Brady or Manning on that final play facemask gets called and a 15 yard penalty is given.
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| Quote G1="G1"You're quite right on all counts. The refs in both games last night were such "homers" it was appalling.
On the 2nd Fitz TD it was blatant offensive pass interference and the roughing the passer call was BS.
I guarantee you this, if its' Brady or Manning on that final play facemask gets called and a 15 yard penalty is given.'"
Packers got the two 15 yarder horsecollar tackles which I thought were a bit soft tbh. I always assumed that for a horsecollar you had to be yanked backwards when tackled rather than be simply brought down while grabbing onto the collar, the latter of which happened last night.
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| Quote G1="G1"
I guarantee you this, if its' Brady or Manning on that final play facemask gets called and a 15 yard penalty is given.'"
Yep, absolutely.
Quote G1="Adamjk"Packers got the two 15 yarder horsecollar tackles which I thought were a bit soft tbh. I always assumed that for a horsecollar you had to be yanked backwards when tackled rather than be simply brought down while grabbing onto the collar, the latter of which happened last night.'"
Horsecollar is being tackled by the back inside of the shoulder pads. Yanking down is generally inidcative of it, but not always. It was expanded in 2006 to include the back of the jersey collar also. Both the tackles were horsecollar tackles, the one on Rodgers was more blatant though.
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| Quote G1="G1"On the 2nd Fitz TD it was blatant offensive pass interference and the roughing the passer call was BS. '"
That's one of the worst non-calls for offensive pass interference I've ever seen. The DB is allowed to hold his position, the receiver has to go around him. He can't just barrel straight into him, knock him to the floor and play on.
The facemask was a 50-50 call, I thought the contact was incidental and as a result of the player swatting the ball back onto Rodgers' head rather than anything else. The helmet to helmet non-call on Berry the play before however was ridiculous.
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| Quote Andy Gilder="Andy Gilder"That's one of the worst non-calls for offensive pass interference I've ever seen. The DB is allowed to hold his position, the receiver has to go around him. He can't just barrel straight into him, knock him to the floor and play on.
The facemask was a 50-50 call, I thought the contact was incidental and as a result of the player swatting the ball back onto Rodgers' head rather than anything else. The helmet to helmet non-call on Berry the play before however was ridiculous.'"
If that is right about recievers having to go around the DB then both of his TD's were OPI.
Facemask even at 50/50 would still have negated the TD.
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| Still was a hell of a game the Packers and Cardinals gave us last night. Shame the defences on each team was a joke.
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| Typical St Helens fan moaning about the ref. 
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| Quote ST_CONROY="ST_CONROY"If that is right about recievers having to go around the DB then both of his TD's were OPI.
Facemask even at 50/50 would still have negated the TD.'"
You lost get over it 
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| Quote LFCRhino="LFCRhino"You lost get over it
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I can handle defeat, and i'm over the moon with the effort shown to get back in the game, but that was some of the worst officiating i've seen.
It got lost in the excitment of it all with it back and forth but the calls went against us especially in OT. Flagrant helmet to helmet (not called), clear as day facemask to end the game which is a 15 yard penalty and retention of the ball (not called), two questionable OPI calls not made on Fitzgerald (not called) at the same time one resulted in a phantom roughing the passer call on Warner where Jenkins was blocked into him.
They give that as roughing the passer but headbutting Rodgers with the crown of your helmet is fine.
Would we have won anyway...who knows. Especially the two by Fitz. If they were called they probably score anyway. The final facemask and helmet to helmet are unforgivable though.
I hope the Cardinals get murdered by New Orleans and the referee should be given a ban.
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| The Jets had a couple of really bad pass interference calls go against them and still won....and if I remember rightly there was an unseen/uncalled facemask by Woodson early in the second quarter too so its swings and roundabouts...though the facemask at the end did have me scratching my head a bit as it did look pretty clear cut...home-town officiating?? More than likely.
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| Quote ST_CONROY="ST_CONROY"I can handle defeat, and i'm over the moon with the effort shown to get back in the game, but that was some of the worst officiating i've seen.
It got lost in the excitment of it all with it back and forth but the calls went against us especially in OT. Flagrant helmet to helmet (not called), clear as day facemask to end the game which is a 15 yard penalty and retention of the ball (not called), two questionable OPI calls not made on Fitzgerald (not called) at the same time one resulted in a phantom roughing the passer call on Warner where Jenkins was blocked into him.
They give that as roughing the passer but headbutting Rodgers with the crown of your helmet is fine.
Would we have won anyway...who knows. Especially the two by Fitz. If they were called they probably score anyway. The final facemask and helmet to helmet are unforgivable though.
I hope the Cardinals get murdered by New Orleans and the referee should be given a ban.'"
Im sorry but these things happen in every game yeah when you write them down like that it makes them look worse but it happens to every team over the course of a season IMO. If it was any other team than yours I bet it wouldnt bother you half as much if you noticed them at all.
I would be pretty annoyed if it was my team but at the end of the day you cant do nothing about it apart from coming back next year and giving it another go!
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| Quote LFCRhino="LFCRhino"Im sorry but these things happen in every game yeah when you write them down like that it makes them look worse but it happens to every team over the course of a season IMO. If it was any other team than yours I bet it wouldnt bother you half as much if you noticed them at all.
I would be pretty annoyed if it was my team but at the end of the day you cant do nothing about it apart from coming back next year and giving it another go!'"
Of course i wouldn't care if it was any other team and your right we can't do anything about it, but questions need to be asked of why the officials missed two blatant attacks at our QB in OT. They were hardly disguised, and isn't there an official who watches the pocket/QB? Along with what others have said is blatant OPI (personally i'm not sure on the PI).All especially in a year when QB's are wrapped in cotton wool. As somebody else has said, if it was Brady taking the helmet to helmet or facemask it is a flag every day of the week.
Or do you disagree that it was a facemask/helmet to helmet? Also i don't think there are 3 potentially wrong calls which directly resulted in scores in every game or for every team, certainly not in a game where it is win or you are out.
I'm not saying we'd have won or that we deserved to with the way our defence played (we probably didn't), but it is more annoying losing a game like that and to have an exceptional game marred by the fact the refs missed major calls.
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