I was admitted into Barnsley General at the back end of last year with pneumonia and within 24 hours was fighting for me life in intensive care with Bi-lateral pneumonia, while I was in there for 6 days I developed severe heart and respiritory problems which resulted in a further 9 days in the coronary care unit which did not do a great deal for my diabetes either, I'm still waiting for a pacemaker to be fitted as well as further tests on my chest to see what other damage there is beside the copd which had been diagnosed, like many of those unfortunate people that have already gone I doubt it will be covid19 that does for me but the lack of opportunity to get my problems sorted out in hospital because everything's on hold atm, there's more chance of seeing Lord Lucan riding up our lane on shergar than even seeing me local GP.

Here is your answer..TrinTrin As I pointed out in the previous covid discussions months ago.







At a virtual World Economic Forum meeting, global leaders from the United Nations, United Kingdom, United States, International Monetary Fund and multi-national corporations discussed and announced a plan to develop a “Great Reset” of the entire world.



“Every country, from the United States to China, must participate, and every industry, from oil and gas to tech, must be transformed,” Schwab added. “In short, we need a ‘Great Reset’ of capitalism.”



PS They were discussing...wait for it.........covid-19.





Schwab is the World Economic Forum’s website, WEF founder and Executive Chairman Klaus Schwab.

I've missed you Miro.

Hi Pop Tart...sorry it's only me and not your Lord and master Boris or your saviour in covid Matt Hancock.



So 2,013 views and no one but me prepared to discuss the re opening of Belle Vue with an attendance level needed to sustain the club. Is it the elephant in the room as I mentioned in a previous post i.e. INFLUENZA and the rest that's stumped a few of you and the reason for the silence. If so, that's maybe a good thing.



Unfortunately the enablers of this lunacy on here and out there have backed themselves into a corner with, as I see it, no way out. Are you listening Mr Carter with your messages to “stay home” and the cashing in with those dreadful masks.



If I'm wrong then it's no big deal. If the enablers are wrong then it's going to be a heavy price future generations are going to pay, all for nothing. Hope you can live with yourselves.



History will no doubt show that covid was no worse than influenza, assuming it wasn't influenza all along and look just what has been destroyed.



Anyhoo,



Think I may go to the pub tomorrow, just need to buy a smartphone, follow the arrows on the one way system, sign in, gell my hands for twenty seconds, download the app, sit at the designated table, wait for the server in his / her mask and visor and rubber gloves, remember to keep my fiver in my pocket and go cashless. Flamin heck, I only intend buying a pint and a bag o nuts. What's this ???? Only one customer at a time allowed in the bogs?





Think I would rather risk catching the flu at Belle Vue.



Night all.

Is that so hard to do to make sure everyone is safe, even if it's just flu?

I already have a smart phone. I am smart enough to follow the in and out arrows, washing my hands seems sensible anyway. The designated table means I know I'll get one. If the server wears a mask it.doesnt hurt me in any way, I like paying with a card and I can go to the toilet before I go out. And I'm ok leaving my number for track and trace. Don't need the app.

While your at your pub find a destination to go on holiday I hear Brazil or India are lovely countries to go visit

Seems okay if you want to go fox hunting with 29 other people.

Not quite as much close contact as 26 people on a rugby pitch though? There's a list of exempt outdoor activities and sports somewhere.

Ah Pop Tart, the gift that keeps on giving.





Leaves the car at home......”small price to pay to keep everyone safe.”

Starts a campaign to ban all contact sports. ”small price to pay to keep everyone safe.”

Never ever uses plastic..”small price to pay to keep everyone (and fish) safe.”

Never eats fish..””small price to pay to keep our fishermen safe.”

Has always worn a mask, social distanced and locked himself down since at least leaving school,

”small price to pay to keep everyone safe....from flu”

Never travels in an aeroplane ”small price to pay to keep everyone safe.”

And avoideds discussing the future of Belle Vue ”small price to pay to keep his head in the sand.”





Ps I was born and raised in pubs, great memories. Your vision for pubs sounds an absolute nightmare in comparison. Still "if it keeps...............

Is that meant to be a dig at me? You need to try harder I'm afraid.



I drive everywhere but I am unleaded and might go electric one day

I love contact sports. Played and watched

Plastic is important for keeping food fresh but I try to use reusable bags and recycle

I love fish

I wear a mask and social distance.... Seems easy enough

I've flown hundreds of times. Needed to travel internationally with my job. Not now though.

Belle Vue.....? I'm not even sure what your point is there.



But at the moment it's a small price to pay to be careful.

Can you explain why its a hardship to you to wear a mask and social distance?

But it’s hardly a necessary “activity” is it. And it’s hardly a sport. It’s just a social gathering for Tory psychopaths.



Still, if it gives BJ a break from committing adultery and breaking international law....

This is simply embarrassing.



"I will not evolve or adapt!"

"Keep people safe ensuring the next generation of my family have some sort of a normal world to live in? NO THANKS! GET ME A PINT AND A CURRY BUT I'LL ONLY PAY CASH!"

Your comment isn't a very well thought out response to the problem we face with influenza is it dreadnought?



My local pub allows me to walk up to the bar, buy a pint, with cash, and sit where I like.

I am now waiting for the death toll to rise considerably in my area because of my totally irresponsible behaviour.



Dreadnought....We have lived on this planet for thousands of years, we survive, we rely on our immune systems to keep us going. We do not need Boris, Billy Gates, Hancock or you to make up daft rules when nature has done the job just fine. We, like animals, know instinctively how to keep ourselves and our families safe. Do some research on “herd immunity” and tell me how masks (those filthy, bacterior invested rags, millions of them floating around now) are going to keep you safe. You do know the WHO advised against them until they were told by politicians to take it down from their website ?

We live, we die, get over it.



Set it out for me this “some sort of normal world” you envisage. I would love to know or are you waiting for darling Boris to issue his next “I'll keep you safe” set of instructions.



If you have read this far please also set out a plan for the return to Belle Vue in your brave new world. Funnily enough that's all I was asking a few threads ago, not a discussion on the plandemic. Strangely though, so far, no one appears to have an answer. I await your response.



PS..I use a card sometimes, just like everyone else. I just don't believe we should have a cashless society and therefore I use cash if I possibly can.

Just joining this conversation half way through so apologies if I have missed any key points. Genuine question Miro, do you pose the same questions to every other country in Europe re there leadership/direction during the COVID-19 Pandemic? I am sure there has not been that much difference throughout.



I tend to agree with you on a lot of points in principle, but I just don`t know what is expected of the government. The same people questioning the guidelines and restrictions put in place are the same people that were questioning them not putting them in place soon enough. People raise concerns about the "control" these restrictions have over them and there family and in the next breath are wanting the government to hold there hand an explain every little detail of "guidelines" that should just be common sense for most people.



From a political standpoint we started off very well in all of this, Kier said all the right things when he come in, yet he just could not resist jumping on a few decisions that were deemed to be controversial at times to get a few points on the board knowing he would have the likes of Wilzay using these little snippets to fulfil his much needed anti-tory agenda.

Thanks for your comments homme vaste. In answer to" every other country in Europe" and I suppose you also mean the world. I answered this a few post ago but here it is again.

I believe, and so do countless others around the world including scientists, doctors etc that this agenda has nothing to do with a virus, real or otherwise. The virus, or to put it bluntly "seasonal flu"

Well it has, but the "pandemic" is a smoke screen for this, as reported in July, but the plans were laid out long before the "pandemic" hit.:



I don't have a link handy just now. Here it is, in a nutshell.



At a virtual World Economic Forum meeting, global leaders from the United Nations, United Kingdom, United States, International Monetary Fund and multi-national corporations discussed and announced a plan to develop a =#FF40BF“Great Reset” of the entire world.



“Every country, from the United States to China, =#FF40BFmust participate, and =#FF4040every industry, from oil and gas to tech, must be transformed,” Schwab added. “In short, we need a ‘Great Reset’ of capitalism.”



Now that explains "lockstep". But note, small, high street businesses are not included in their great "re-set." Hence not giving a stuff about the hundreds of small businesses around the world going bust.



Schwab is the World Economic Forum’s website, WEF founder and Executive Chairman Klaus Schwab.

Well, you should read your old posts. You inferred that all the draconian measures were fine by you because if it saves just one life it'll all have been worth it, small price to pay..

In fact you mentioned having your foreign holiday cancelled and repeated the above mantra.



So, don't drive your car, don't expect sportsmen and women to put their lives on the line for your sport and plastic, well, help pollute the seas if you must.

In other words “small price to pay”



By the way, the odds on you getting seriously injured driving on the roads is....Oh forget it, just keep safe.



What's Belle Vue got to do with it? The clue is in the thread title.



Masks and Anti social distancing?? Read my last post or the one a few pages back.

Where in my very short comment did I mention anything to do with Boris or Masks?







Don't tell me what to do.

No. I said I was OK with the steps you are asked to follow to go to the pub.



It's a really nieve argument to the it's safer than driving a car or plane etc.

We wear seat belts, have to pass a test, invest millions in car safety features to make it possible to drive and be as safe as possible. And people who don't drive safely are fined or in the extreme put in jail.



For this you are being asked to social distance until they can find equivalent measures to make it safer.



What has always baffled me is that you argue so intelligently yet miss (possibly on purpose) some really obvious points. I don't know whether you are just so adamant about your point that you can't see anything else or that you are just winding people up (which I no longer think is the case)

The very fact that after about 75 pages of discussion you haven't accepted one point made by anyone else makes me think you are lecturing rather than discussing. Would you agree?

And on the plan for Belle Vue..... Why ask us.

The RFL have their plan.



Belle Vue will be assessed in its merits for health and safety same as always.

Can make up my own mind thank you very much.



What is expected of this Government? Well, surely competent leadership should be a start. And I think they failed spectacularly in that.



I have no problems with lockdown restrictions or social distancing restrictions. It’s the “one rule for them, another for us” approach from Boris which is peeing me off.

Latest ONS (Office for National Statistics) out today for the week ending Sept.4th(latest statistics available) show that 13 times more people are dying from flu pneumonia. Just 78 people that week ending in the whole of the UK had covid 19 mentioned on their death certificate.

The chances of you contracting and dying from corona virus is tiny, especially if you are fit and healthy. You probably are more at risk of getting run over by a bus.

The Ovid 19 virus is going to be around for a very long time and I doubt that a vaccine to help 100 per cent will be found. The corona virus will eventually weaken ( if it already hasn't done so) like most viruses that attack the human body.

I was going to add more comments but I'm enjoying the evening Sun down here in Surrey, and my granddaughters have just shouted me in for dinner, steak and chips with all the trimmings, yes that's what life's all about, there are risks everywhere in life, enjoy it while you can.

The chances of contracting COVID-19 are not "Tiny" it is actually very likely that you will at some point contract it, the risk of dying as a result of COVID-19 is completely down to the individuals pre-existing health circumstances so you cannot define that as tiny either.



Lets not forget the guidelines and restrictions have been in place over the last 6 months to eliminate the risk of overwhelming the capacity of the National Health Service beyond that of its capacity and in that we have to factor in the capacity that trusts nationwide were at pre this pandemic in terms of Hospital beds, surgery time etc.

I wonder if the fact that the number of people dying of Covid is reducing significantly is anything to do with social distancing?

Tha bloody whet?!?! I pay fo’ mi pint wi cash onli!!!!!

As I said, the common flu virus has been killing more people than Covid 19 and has been since June this year(also verified figures) Anybody with serious health issues are more likely to die also if they contract flu/ pneumonia.

I did point out for healthy people the chances are tiny, the figures by age group are out there and they show the elderly with other health issues are the most likely to die from Covid 19, this also applies to the elderly contracting the flu or pneumonia and currently roughly 13 times more people are dying from flu pneumonia than covid .