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| Quote The Dentist Wilf="The Dentist Wilf"said it all last week
little has changed just moved forward.
There's no worry about Pearson being bothered about fans reactions like the guy on Sunday Doc either I think he's too long in the tooth for that and in fact gave as much back to a gang of Cas supporters who had a go at the Jungle earlier this year. But our owner certainly has a lot of passion and he'll stick with it, [uthere's little doubt that he's absolutely gutted[/u though as the players found out at 9-00am yesterday morning!'"
As I said on twitter (I think), I wouldn't have wanted to get on the wrong side of AP at around 5pm on Sunday. He looked furious and was almost purple trying to keep it in.
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| Quote The Dentist Wilf="The Dentist Wilf"there's little doubt that he's absolutely gutted though as the players found out at 9-00am yesterday morning!'"
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| Is it true about Lineham then?
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| Quote The Dentist Wilf="The Dentist Wilf"You can forget Smith or anyone else coming in because Lee Radford is here for a while yet, all the signs are there we are signing players and about to sign players that are his choice, there would be little point in doing that if he was off. We've all just got to do our best and back him, its obviously some of the players that are letting him down and I expect there will be a constant turn around of those in the coming weeks. However its nice to dream of new coaches as we all did for about 18 months under Agar but like then we might have quite a wait and our owner is injecting more money into the Club, which its hard to imagine he would do if we were about to change coaches, so it won't be happening, even if we get sucked into the relegation mire.'"
I’m not doubting what you’re saying Wilf but this all feels like another jam tomorrow scenario again. So Radford’s looking at bringing in his signings (can we expect more of the Colbon quality?). does that mean another period of transition? I guess it does. We seem to be in a perpetual cycle of blaming the last coach and his cohorts for their poor signings, it’s never ending. I’m afraid it’s now a vicious circle where some fans will stay away choosing to spend their cash elsewhere, this in turn affects our revenue streams. It’s a sorry state of affairs.
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| Quote Smiggs="Smiggs"I’m not doubting what you’re saying Wilf but this all feels like another jam tomorrow scenario again. So Radford’s looking at bringing in his signings (can we expect more of the Colbon quality?). does that mean another period of transition? I guess it does. We seem to be in a perpetual cycle of blaming the last coach and his cohorts for their poor signings, it’s never ending. I’m afraid it’s now a vicious circle where some fans will stay away choosing to spend their cash elsewhere, this in turn affects our revenue streams. It’s a sorry state of affairs.'"
#coyh
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| Recently read a quote from the author David Foster Wallace about athletes, couldn't remember it exactly but after digging around found a quote.
"Professional athletes are in many ways our cultures holy men: they give themselves over to a pursuit, endure great privation and pain to actualize themselves at it, and enjoy a relationship to perfection that we admire, reward, and love to watch, even though we have no desire to walk that road oursleves. In other words, they do it for "us", sacrifice themselves for our (we imagine) redemption."
It must be more than five years since I have felt like that about an FC team.
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| Quote frepneyboy="frepneyboy"Is it true about Lineham then?'"
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| Quote Staffs FC="Staffs FC"Reasonable conclusion to draw. I also have said for a while that I think Pearson will give Radford time and I hope he does. Radford needs to learn from his naïve comments to the media after this game - it's not his role to criticise the paying supporters of the club and he needs to stay well clear of that. Also it's best not to imply that he doesn't have a solution to the issues although I think that was just sheer frustration. I like his honesty in many of the things he says - he actually says what many have said on here about the players' performances for years.
It's recruitment that has messed up this club for a long time and McRae seems to me to have set Pearson's plans back at least two years. I hope Motu Tony can do better. We need higher quality players than we have to challenge. Radford's coaching will improve but I don't think we have enough quality on the field as things stand now, particularly in key play making and the 'game-management' area but also other areas. Losing that game on Sunday was a classic example of lacking a general. It's that long since we've had a player of that type I think some fans have forgotten the importance of it. Westy has masked the absence of such a player this year with his outstanding effort and consistency in his play making role but even he can't dictate play in the way that is required and in any case he's out now.'"
I'm unsure if radford is naive or arrogant. He has yet to shoulder any blame for our losses but has been keen to blame players and even the fans
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| Quote Chris28="Chris28"Is what true?'"
He's broken his ankle. Keep it to yourself as only frepney knows
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| Quote Jake the Peg="Jake the Peg"I'm unsure if radford is naive or arrogant. He has yet to shoulder any blame for our losses but has been keen to blame players and even the fans'"
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| Quote Jake the Peg="Jake the Peg"I'm unsure if radford is naive or arrogant. He has yet to shoulder any blame for our losses but has been keen to blame players and even the fans'"
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| Quote Jake the Peg I'm unsure if radford is naive or arrogant. He has yet to shoulder any blame for our losses but has been keen to blame players and even the fans'"
A first team player told me that he thinks Radord is a ="Jake the Peg I'm unsure if radford is naive or arrogant. He has yet to shoulder any blame for our losses but has been keen to blame players and even the fans'"
A first team player told me that he thinks Radord is a "great coach" but an "awful man manager". He said that if players make a mistake or don't perform Radford bawls them out in front of the group and that Ben Crooks's confidence had been shot because of Radford's treatment of him.
Based on Sunday's performance Radford's policy of ruling by fear doesn't seem to be working.
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| Quote Jake the Peg="Jake the Peg"I'm unsure if radford is naive or arrogant. He has yet to shoulder any blame for our losses but has been keen to blame players and even the fans'"
He has previous for having digs about the fans. I remember an away game at Castleford on sky when he was captain at the time. He was interviewed on the pitch at the end of the game and when asked about "the fantastic away support" his response was that we are great when were winning but not so good when were losing.
Now that may well be true but its not something the captain of the club should be saying when a few thousand of them have just travelled to an away game to support him and the team. He may not like the media game but he has to be willing to play it sometimes.
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| Quote Jake the Peg="Jake the Peg"I'm unsure if radford is naive or arrogant. He has yet to shoulder any blame for our losses but has been keen to blame players and even the fans'"
The fans I covered above but I would say the players are mainly to blame for our losses. I also blame them for being nilled at Wembley and embarrassing the club beyond anything imaginable just 12 games ago.
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| Quote Diogenes="Diogenes"A first team player told me that he thinks Radord is a "great coach" but an "awful man manager". He said that if players make a mistake or don't perform Radford bawls them out in front of the group and that Ben Crooks's confidence had been shot because of Radford's treatment of him.
Based on Sunday's performance Radford's policy of ruling by fear doesn't seem to be working.'"
It doesn't work in modern sport anymore. You have to take the route of inspiring everyone from the cleaner to club captain to wanting to achieve to their absolute potential by creating a atmosphere of group pride.
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| I like his honesty. Players have been looked after for years by previous coaches.
Don't buy into this man management thing either. He's obviously got something about him in that department. Was managing men at local level yearsago when still not much more than a kid
People saying crooks getting rough ride and radFord killing his confidence. Not really sure what else he could of done with him, he's had more time and dealing with crooks than any coach from doing the academy and now. Cooks can only ultimately help himself.
Unless it gets dramatically worse he'll get this year and into next. Until he can get in what he wants to do what he asks then rightly so. A basic solid 7 would of got us home on Sunday!
Everyone after this kind of game tears down and slates every thing and every1 but this team halves aside is decent. Backs at full strength when Sa arrives are good, really good. Forwards at full tilt are a great and balanced unit of size power impact and nous. I've always refused to believe the sun shines from Houghtons back side but now think it's gone too far the other way. He's got limitations but still more an asset than a hindrance.
For me the whole problem revolves around the halves.
If we had Walsh for example we win Sunday, win against widnes,probably beat rovers and beat Salford and probably still in the cup.
Squad needs a quality half then just some tweaks. Too much average players on too much money. A more experienced coach may eek out a little more from the same group but will still end up coming unstuck without the tools. Look at wire. As perfect an example i can think of!!
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| Another thing ive noticed about FC going forward is that, when we drive it in, we only have one player going forward, making it easy for the defence to put 3-4 players into the tackle, which means winning the collision and turning the player on his back, resulting in a slower play the ball.
Send 2 players running forward, the defence has to think, is player 'A' driving it in or passing it off to player 'B' etc, so the defence only putting 2 in the tackle, making it easier to win the collision and staying on his front resulting in quicker play the ball, which is when we play well.
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| Quote airliebird,runninglate!="airliebird,runninglate!"I like his honesty. Players have been looked after for years by previous coaches.
Don't buy into this man management thing either. He's obviously got something about him in that department. Was managing men at local level yearsago when still not much more than a kid
People saying crooks getting rough ride and radFord killing his confidence. Not really sure what else he could of done with him, he's had more time and dealing with crooks than any coach from doing the academy and now. Cooks can only ultimately help himself.
Unless it gets dramatically worse he'll get this year and into next. Until he can get in what he wants to do what he asks then rightly so. A basic solid 7 would of got us home on Sunday!
Everyone after this kind of game tears down and slates every thing and every1 but this team halves aside is decent. Backs at full strength when Sa arrives are good, really good. Forwards at full tilt are a great and balanced unit of size power impact and nous. I've always refused to believe the sun shines from Houghtons back side but now think it's gone too far the other way. He's got limitations but still more an asset than a hindrance.
For me the whole problem revolves around the halves.
If we had Walsh for example we win Sunday, win against widnes,probably beat rovers and beat Salford and probably still in the cup.
Squad needs a quality half then just some tweaks. Too much average players on too much money. A more experienced coach may eek out a little more from the same group but will still end up coming unstuck without the tools. Look at wire. As perfect an example i can think of!!'"
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| Quote Diogenes="Diogenes"A first team player told me that he thinks Radord is a "great coach" but an "awful man manager". He said that if players make a mistake or don't perform Radford bawls them out in front of the group and that Ben Crooks's confidence had been shot because of Radford's treatment of him.
Based on Sunday's performance Radford's policy of ruling by fear doesn't seem to be working.'"
That does sound like bad man management to me. I'm sure some players will respond well to being bawled out but not all of them will and different approaches need to be taken. I know I personally have always responded better to a quiet word in my ear rather than been pulled up in front of everyone and criticised.
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| Quote airliebird,runninglate!="airliebird,runninglate!"I like his honesty. Players have been looked after for years by previous coaches.
Don't buy into this man management thing either. He's obviously got something about him in that department. Was managing men at local level yearsago when still not much more than a kid
People saying crooks getting rough ride and radFord killing his confidence. Not really sure what else he could of done with him, he's had more time and dealing with crooks than any coach from doing the academy and now. Cooks can only ultimately help himself. Unless it gets dramatically worse he'll get this year and into next. Until he can get in what he wants to do what he asks then rightly so. A basic solid 7 would of got us home on Sunday!
Everyone after this kind of game tears down and slates every thing and every1 but this team halves aside is decent. Backs at full strength when Sa arrives are good, really good. Forwards at full tilt are a great and balanced unit of size power impact and nous. I've always refused to believe the sun shines from Houghtons back side but now think it's gone too far the other way. He's got limitations but still more an asset than a hindrance.
For me the whole problem revolves around the halves.
If we had Walsh for example we win Sunday, win against widnes,probably beat rovers and beat Salford and probably still in the cup.
Squad needs a quality half then just some tweaks. Too much average players on too much money. A more experienced coach may eek out a little more from the same group but will still end up coming unstuck without the tools. Look at wire. As perfect an example i can think of!!'"
Of course man management is an issue in sport as in any other business. This is 2014, not 1974. Maybe the coach should try a different approach for different players rather than this blunt one size fits all approach which obviously doesn't work?
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| Quote airliebird,runninglate!="airliebird,runninglate!"I like his honesty. Players have been looked after for years by previous coaches.
Don't buy into this man management thing either. He's obviously got something about him in that department. Was managing men at local level yearsago when still not much more than a kid
People saying crooks getting rough ride and radFord killing his confidence. Not really sure what else he could of done with him, he's had more time and dealing with crooks than any coach from doing the academy and now. Cooks can only ultimately help himself.
Unless it gets dramatically worse he'll get this year and into next. Until he can get in what he wants to do what he asks then rightly so. A basic solid 7 would of got us home on Sunday!
Everyone after this kind of game tears down and slates every thing and every1 but this team halves aside is decent. Backs at full strength when Sa arrives are good, really good. Forwards at full tilt are a great and balanced unit of size power impact and nous. I've always refused to believe the sun shines from Houghtons back side but now think it's gone too far the other way. He's got limitations but still more an asset than a hindrance.
For me the whole problem revolves around the halves.
If we had Walsh for example we win Sunday, win against widnes,probably beat rovers and beat Salford and probably still in the cup.
Squad needs a quality half then just some tweaks. Too much average players on too much money. A more experienced coach may eek out a little more from the same group but will still end up coming unstuck without the tools. Look at wire. As perfect an example i can think of!!'"
Interesting how people see things differently. Whilst I find Radford's honesty in the media about the players refreshing some of his other media talk leaves a lot to be desired. I can only base the man management talk on what the player has said to Diogenes but simply shouting and bawling at the players is not good man management in my eyes. There needs to be more to it. If that approach has destroyed Crook's confidence then it shows that he needed to be handled in a different manner. Crooks obviously knows there's areas of his game he needs to improve on but it's down to our coach and the coaching staff to help him improve. It's not just down to the players alone.
It's far too easy to say that we only need a 7 to improve the team and then just make a couple of tweaks. A 7 would improve the team without a shadow of a doubt but I think there's still plenty of other areas in the squad that are questionable and need improving to go along with that 7.
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| Quote Diogenes="Diogenes"Of course man management is an issue in sport as in any other business. This is 2014, not 1974. Maybe the coach should try a different approach for different players rather than this blunt one size fits all approach which obviously doesn't work?'"
He knows this. Was after the Castleford game I think. Said himself the jobs mostly about managing men. Said he knows the players who need a rocket and those that need an arm around them! Was a good interview and impressed me. Working with some of these players he probably knows that neither works and that they need replacing.
Which is why i think he'll get the chance to bring in the players he wants to be able to do the things he asks.
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| Quote Staffs FC="Staffs FC"The fans I covered above but I would say the players are mainly to blame for our losses. I also blame them for being nilled at Wembley and embarrassing the club beyond anything imaginable just 12 games ago.'"
I guess that ultimately the players are always responsible for their performances but surely it goes beyond that? 2 coaches could get completely different performances from the same players so the coach has to have an influence. I'd say the better the coach the greater the influence so if radford is having little influence either way then maybe that says a lot about his coaching capabilities.
If he is bawling players out in front of others it confirms one of my concerns about him pre season
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| Quote Jake the Peg="Jake the Peg"2 coaches could get completely different performances from the same players so the coach has to have an influence.'"
And one coach can get two completely different performances from the same players. Does he tell them to play cr@p one week and really go for it the next ? Or even tell them to go 16-0 up then chuck it all before the end of the game?
Of course the coach has influence but many on here want Tony Smith who was relegated with a poor Hudds side, did great work with Leeds and to start with Wire but is suffering this season because he's lost some serious talent particularly his general. Brian Mac didn't pull any trees up at London but is the main man now. I wonder what the difference there was ? Maybe he couldn't 'influence' his London players.
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| Quote Doc Brown="Doc Brown"Interesting how people see things differently. Whilst I find Radford's honesty in the media about the players refreshing some of his other media talk leaves a lot to be desired. I can only base the man management talk on what the player has said to Diogenes but simply shouting and bawling at the players is not good man management in my eyes. There needs to be more to it. If that approach has destroyed Crook's confidence then it shows that he needed to be handled in a different manner. Crooks obviously knows there's areas of his game he needs to improve on but it's down to our coach and the coaching staff to help him improve. It's not just down to the players alone.
It's far too easy to say that we only need a 7 to improve the team and then just make a couple of tweaks. A 7 would improve the team without a shadow of a doubt but I think there's still plenty of other areas in the squad that are questionable and need improving to go along with that 7.'"
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This is as good as most teams barring Leeds
The forwards are pretty up there too with lots of youth in it with plenty of improvement in them.
Think tweaks along with some young players to come through and hopefully make the grade then we'll not be far off a good team pretty soon. But a 7 a good 1 ties it altogether. At the very least two average 'organising' halves. We've a runner in rankin and Miller doesn't really appear to be either without a particularly good kicking game between them. That leaves Horne but he's short term and always likely to miss games.
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