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| Quote Sheldon="Sheldon"What would he expect? A wage like Robys?
His worth is what clubs will pay, he agreed the deal.
In the age of salary caps decisions have to be made, they won't please everyone.'"
He is indeed worth what clubs will pay, and I have no doubts he will get a few lot better offers than FC are paying....We like to spend our money on people like Longy! who was a gamble, one which did not work,also why would we play a young talentedlocal hooker when we can import some-one like Berro who no way warranted his pay!
The last few years have proven we get it wrong.
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| The Long and Berrigan instances are in hindsite.
Houghton agreed a deal till the end of 2012 if he thought he was worth more he should have signed for a club who would have paid more.
I'm guessing the offers wouldn't have been substantially bigger as it was negotiated a year ago not last week.
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| Quote berrigans bitch="berrigans bitch"Not sure about that, I doubt very much Wigan, Wire, Leeds are Saints underpay their local lads, hence the loyalty of the players and why most stay....Berro was at the time we had him the highest paid import yet he was far from the best performing import..Players should be paid what they are worth.'"
I'd say that they use loyalty and reputation to keep wages down,
The fact that the wigans, wires, leeds and saints of the league do underpay youngsters means that they can pay for the best overseas players, surely,
but underpayment is all relative anyway...
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| Quote Sheldon="Sheldon"The Long and Berrigan instances are in hindsite.
Houghton agreed a deal till the end of 2012 if he thought he was worth more he should have signed for a club who would have paid more.
I'm guessing the offers wouldn't have been substantially bigger as it was negotiated a year ago not last week.'"
The problem we have is we never learnt from hindsight...take Dykes outstanding player yet injury prone and we knew this before signing and we paid the price....
At what point are we going to start seriously investing in our youth, take Tompkins got a 5 yr deal and no doubt a good whack, and Shenton, I could go on...
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| Briscoe got a five year deal, Lyne and Jack Briscoe got 3 and 4 year deals.
O'meley was a injury risk, Fitzgibbon was a old player.
We've also invested in players like Nicklas, Green, Cunningham, Crooks all young, unproven players on two year deals.
The young players we've let go were deemed not good enough.
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| Said it many times on here before that I think he's still got so much to learn. He takes far too many wrong options for me and his distribution is average to say the least. You need craft and guile at dummy half and i just don't think Houghtons got it. He gives 100% effort every week and I'd have him coming off the bench as a scooter every week but I'm not enjoying watching him playing 80mins wk in wk out because i don't think it's benefiting anybody, certainly not Hull as a team.
If an NRL club is looking at him good luck to him but he'd need to improve an hell of a lot imo.
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| Honestly not that fussed. Will need to improve a hell of a lot to make it in the NRL and perhaps with better coaching he could do just that. As it stands though he hasn't progressed enough in the last 18 months and is still well behind most of the other hookers in SL.
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| Quote berrigans bitch="berrigans bitch"Not sure about that, I doubt very much Wigan, Wire, Leeds are Saints underpay their local lads, hence the loyalty of the players and why most stay....Berro was at the time we had him the highest paid import yet he was far from the best performing import..Players should be paid what they are worth.'"
Leeds do, Sinfield said as much a year or so back.
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| Quote Robbo4="Robbo4"Honestly not that fussed. Will need to improve a hell of a lot to make it in the NRL and perhaps with better coaching he could do just that. As it stands though he hasn't progressed enough in the last 18 months and is still well behind most of the other hookers in SL.'"
Fair comment. If he thinks he's worth more than he's currently getting paid ,then good luck to him . I'm struggling to see which NRL club he'd get a game with tbh.
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| Quote PAUL M="PAUL M"Leeds do, Sinfield said as much a year or so back.'"
On reflection you are probably right.....Kath & Gary probably share the same ideas!!
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| Well if true about Houghton then its looking like
6 Horne
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All seems to be making sense now
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| I honestly don't think Danny is good enough yet for Australia but give him credit if he's going to take the chance
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| Quote Robbo4="Robbo4"Honestly not that fussed. Will need to improve a hell of a lot to make it in the NRL and perhaps with better coaching he could do just that. As it stands though he hasn't progressed enough in the last 18 months and is still well behind[u most of the other hookers in SL[/u.'"
You are kidding right ? I agree he is not in the same league as say Roby (but few are), but I would place him in the top 6 in SL and his stats will back this, plus in his favour he is British and still young with plenty more development in him.
I disagree that he has not progressed in the last 18 months I actually think he has, still work to do in area's though but that will come....Also it will be interesting to see if we flog our next hooker for the full 80mins nearly every game.
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| Quote Suzie="Suzie"Said it many times on here before that I think he's still got so much to learn. He takes far too many wrong options for me and his distribution is average to say the least. You need craft and guile at dummy half and i just don't think Houghtons got it. He gives 100% effort every week and I'd have him coming off the bench as a scooter every week but I'm not enjoying watching him playing 80mins wk in wk out because i don't think it's benefiting anybody, certainly not Hull as a team.
If an NRL club is looking at him good luck to him but he'd need to improve an hell of a lot imo.'"
Good post Suzie, I agree with all of that.
If Danny wishes to leave then all the best to him but it wouldn't be a disaster for us.
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| There is no point downplaying it. If true, this is a horrible and unexpected blow to the club!
It would however, explain the otherwise inexplicable signing of Heremaia.
The situation needs clarification over Houghton from James Rule ASAP in my opinion - the fans deserve to know what is happening either way.
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| Quote PAUL M="PAUL M"He's been excellent this season. His yardage gains around the ruck are very good, his kicking is ok and his defence is excellent. He needs to work on his guile but he is getting better imo.'"
Completely agree. When he went off yesterday, with Long out for the season too, it underlined the extent to which we rely on him IMO. If he goes that leaves us with Yeaman, Horne and Radford as homegrown in our first choice 17, all of whom debuted 10 years ago. In 2007 we beat Bradford in the last regular round with 16 British players of which I think 11 were homegrown. Rubbish state of affairs.
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| Quote berrigans bitch="berrigans bitch"You are kidding right ? I agree he is not in the same league as say Roby (but few are), but I would place him in the top 6 in SL and his stats will back this, plus in his favour he is British and still young with plenty more development in him.
I disagree that he has not progressed in the last 18 months I actually think he has, still work to do in area's though but that will come....Also it will be interesting to see if we flog our next hooker for the full 80mins nearly every game.'"
He's not in the top 6 in SL. Some clubs have 2 better hookers than houghton. Isn't top class for me an never will be. We desperately need a good hooker and we haven't had one since swain left
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| Quote Mrs Barista="Mrs Barista"Completely agree. When he went off yesterday, with Long out for the season too, it underlined the extent to which we rely on him IMO. If he goes that leaves us with Yeaman, Horne and Radford as homegrown in our first choice 17, all of whom debuted 10 years ago. In 2007 we beat Bradford in the last regular round with 16 British players of which I think 11 were homegrown. Rubbish state of affairs.'"
also known as the kear/sharp/agar effect
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| Quote JMR="JMR"There is no point downplaying it. If true, this is a horrible and unexpected blow to the club!
It would however, explain the otherwise inexplicable signing of Heremaia.
The situation needs clarification over Houghton from James Rule ASAP in my opinion - the fans deserve to know what is happening either way.'"
Give it up, we know you're a troll.
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| Quote berrigans bitch="berrigans bitch"Not sure about that, I doubt very much Wigan, Wire, Leeds are Saints underpay their local lads, hence the loyalty of the players and why most stay....Berro was at the time we had him the highest paid import yet he was far from the best performing import..Players should be paid what they are worth.'"
Highest paid import at Hull, not in the league though.
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| Quote Mrs Barista="Mrs Barista"Completely agree. When he went off yesterday, with Long out for the season too, it underlined the extent to which we rely on him IMO. If he goes that leaves us with Yeaman, Horne and Radford as homegrown in our first choice 17, all of whom debuted 10 years ago. In 2007 we beat Bradford in the last regular round with 16 British players of which I think 11 were homegrown. Rubbish state of affairs.'"
We've brought enough players through to a super league level but for one reason or another they haven't kicked on.
Wheeldon, Hall, Hodgson, Horne, Lee, King have all moved on and not many people have disagreed.
It could be down to a few things be it mentality, coaching or they could just not be good enough.
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| If true I'd be a little sad. I think Danny is doing a great job at Hooker. He reminds me of Jacko in his style of play. I think he would go well down under and FC should certainly get first refusal on any return. a lot of people knock Danny on here in that he takes wrong ptions and his passing isnt the best but for me we looked a better side last year when Danny was on the pitch over Berro and he features regularly in the mom votes on here. Aussies sides dont look at you if your not any good.
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| Yep, or I pointing out a poor player signed by a nrl club.
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