Thas, bye now

financial figures you have posted



The vast majority of fans , even those that have questioned those 2 subjects have admiited you should get a SL spot on merit

What a pointless post.



There's nothing worse than somebody who doesn't see the point in forums yet comes on one to say so.

What I was saying was the only time fans of other clubs generally come across Widnes is on a franchising/licensing thread. These often descend into arguments between those that think Widnes should get a license and those that don't.



The bit in bold is the reason why it happens so often. Too often people come up with the simplistic argument that Widnes shouldn't get a spot because we have finished 5th and the winners should go up. This then leads to Widnes fans (and others) putting them straight because it's a nonsense argument. Whether you support P&R or not, we haven't had P&R in place so you can't criticise Widnes for playing the game.



The bit in bold is the reason it rankles most. The cap is lowered so that teams can compete with Widnes and create the fantastically competitive league that we have now. Yet the fact that Widnes cannot dominate the league under this cap for some reason makes people think that we shouldn't go up at the expense of other clubs that score much poorer everywhere else.



Widnes fans aren't arrogant in the slightest, or no more so than any other clubs. However when your constantly defending yourselves against stupid claims like those, it could easily appear arrogant. If there were no stupid claims there would be no 'arrogance.'

there there, of course it is

I may be wrong here but didn't Widnes post £1 million loss last year? So with their "£1 million profit" this year would cancel out last years losses. I think you will find the cap was lowered to support clubs in general NOT to ALLOW them to keep up with a club that until this year (accounts still to be posted) has just come out of administration and seemingly posted profits.

As I said I may be wrong.....

Slightly wrong as accounts are dated a further year back so the 1 mill profit was the year of 400k cap! Plus the million loss was club updates if you like... Well worth it too in SO'Cs opinion!

The £1million loss was entirely down to spending on infrastructure. If SOC hadn’t done that we probably wouldn’t have made a loss.



We were always going to be in a better position this season, and from then on. Our support would see us being able to better anyone in this league financially. If that was allowed to be fully utilized against our competitors, it would make it very difficult for the other clubs.



I’m not saying that it would guarantee complete domination – team sport doesn’t necessarily work that way, you still need a coach who knows what he’s doing – but we wouldn’t be sitting in 5th place, and I doubt Batley would have won the NRC. The £300k cap has had a massive impact already. It’s made the league far more competitive and lowered the ability of wealthier clubs to bring their financial clout into play. The cap is more realistic in SL and the wealthier clubs still have this advantage over the smaller clubs.



We went into admistration 3-years ago (2007), so would have had no baring at all on the decision to lower the cap.

I didnt say that administration did have a bareing on the cap. What I said was you came out in 2007. It doesnt matter where the money is spent for the books its the fact is was spent and posted as a loss (has to come from somewhere). I don't want to get into this side of it as I dont know your accounts other than what I have read on the forum.



The point I was making is that the cap did not come in to rein Widnes back it was brought in to stop clubs overspending and going into administration. No team can use the salary cap as an excuse for their performance as we ALL work to the same capping system which is audited by the RFL.

Toulouse CANNOT APPLY so they can't get the nod unlucky!!!!!!! next.

Yes they can , but they cannot get ' your ' spot

[size=150No, Toulouse do not meet the minimum criteria and will not be able to apply.[/size



That is a quote from an e-mail sent from the RFL to a Widnes fan regarding franchises.