Re: Hypothetical RTC with a moped : Thu Nov 21, 2013 11:30 pm  

Euclid wrote:

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Actually, Insurance Companies are clever enough not to go near a court except as the very last resort. They don't waste money if they can help it, especially on court costs.

If you take a very broad view, yes. Within that, though, for example, some major insurers would let a smallish minor injury claim go to trial, knowing 100% that the claimant would beat the offer produced by Colossus (or whatever auto-claim-value software) on the basis that, overall, it would be worth it for the savings on the cases that undersettled (even though it was known the offer was too low) as these savings would outweigh the costs of letting those who wouldn't take the low offers go to hearing.

All change now, though, what with QOCS battling violently with Part 36. Remains to be seen how that one will pan out.

Re: Hypothetical RTC with a moped : Fri Nov 22, 2013 1:39 pm  

rumpelstiltskin wrote:

...a well designed convex lens consisting of 2 elements, would have the ability to show both the leading, side and trailing edge of the object in view as it moved through the viewing arc, with eventually the leading edge (the front of the car/bike/whatever) being in your direct sightline through the drivers door window, whilst the rear edge was still showing in part of the mirror.

Wow. they design blind spot mirrors - to deal with the problem of blind spots which according to you don't exist? Well, there's a thing. Why would they do that?

Convex add-on or even integrated mirrors are nothing new. there are loads on the market. Each in a way helps, but NONE can eliminate the blind spot perfectly, for the reasons already stated. including yours. The stick -on varieties have various views ranging from poor to very distorted, and obviously restrict the view of what you would otherwise be able to see in the area behind the stick-on; also, the distortion in the mirror is very annoying and distracting for many:

Kelly Toepke, News Editor wrote:

The driver's sideview mirror on the Honda CR-V is making me crazy. The line on the left-third of the mirror distorts my view much the same way my new bifocal glasses does.

If I wore the glasses or drove the CR-V everyday, perhaps I'd get used to it.

But for now, I'm simply annoyed.

James Riswick, Automotive Editor wrote:

... blogged about the integrated blind-spot mirror in the CR-V, ... I too found that it was strange, especially when wearing glasses. I also don't think it does a very good job of actually showing you what's in the car's blind spot.

The funniest part is you say you can see the "leading edge" of the vehicle - but only by turning your head to the right, to look out of your driver's door window - yet which action you dismiss as a facetious suggestion by the Highway Code. If you were looking ahead, (you know, looking where you're going) the view out of your driver's door window is obviously NOT in "your direct sightline";

Next - so, if you can see the "leading edge" by turning your head to look to the right rear (which you can apparently do, without doing it); and you claim that the "rear edge" is visible in part of your mirror somewhere - tell me - where t f is the rest of the vehicle, then? It couldn't be in the non-existent blind spot, by any chance?

Odd things, these non-existent blind spots.

The National Highway Transportation Safety Administration and U.S. Department of Transportation wrote:

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blind spot mirror lane change accidents, such as side-swipes, damage more than 826,000 vehicles and injure more than 160,000 people each and every year.

I wonder how many of those drivers had previously spouted the same sanctimonious sort of nonsense as you about blind spots? Or maybe while you are writing to the Highway Code telling them to revise their facetious advice, you could drop a line to the NHTSA as well?

I think my work here is done.

Re: Hypothetical RTC with a moped : Fri Nov 22, 2013 2:42 pm  

Can I just throw three pennoth in ?

Humans have a field of vision that is ALMOST 180 degrees, get someone to test yours, its actually quite surprising what you can see to the side of you, I already know what both of my eyes are like for field of vision because I have it tested by my doctor every six months, but a simple test such as getting someone to approach from behind and then holding your hand up when you can see then should surprise you.

Further to that, your vision is also alerted more by moving objects, its an animal instinct sort of thing.

So, a moped approaching your car from behind won't be visible to you yet, but if you turn your head even just slightly then your 180 degree field should pick them up easily, especially if they are deviating from a static location in relation to your eye, in other words they are pulling out to overtake and moving across you field of vision.

What we really need is an almost 360 degree field like some birds do.

Re: Hypothetical RTC with a moped : Fri Nov 22, 2013 3:24 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote: I think my work here is done. It is, but not for the reasons you think. I had earlier in the week dismissed you as simply that annoying stereotypical Yorkshireman that we have all encountered on our foreign travels. You know the one, perched on a stool at the end of the bar, an opinionated buffoon spouting his thoughts on everything under the sun, whilst the rest of us quietly slide out of door. But there was something that still niggled, and you were right, the penny dropped. The obsessive attention to detail...., the fixation on one single point,...... the ridiculous amount of time spent trawling the Internet in the hope of unearthing something,..., anything which might add weight to your point of view.... the anxiety displayed in case you were wrong...as manifest in your refusal to go and see for yourself regarding the CRV mirror. I suspect you suffer from OCD/OCPD, and could genuinely benefit from some professional advice Personally, I hope it transpires you are simply an opinionated buffoon, and that we can continue to enjoy your comedic value, but I do have doubts.....

Ferocious Aardvark wrote: I think my work here is done. It is, but not for the reasons you think. I had earlier in the week dismissed you as simply that annoying stereotypical Yorkshireman that we have all encountered on our foreign travels. You know the one, perched on a stool at the end of the bar, an opinionated buffoon spouting his thoughts on everything under the sun, whilst the rest of us quietly slide out of door. But there was something that still niggled, and you were right, the penny dropped. The obsessive attention to detail...., the fixation on one single point,...... the ridiculous amount of time spent trawling the Internet in the hope of unearthing something,..., anything which might add weight to your point of view.... the anxiety displayed in case you were wrong...as manifest in your refusal to go and see for yourself regarding the CRV mirror. I suspect you suffer from OCD/OCPD, and could genuinely benefit from some professional advice Personally, I hope it transpires you are simply an opinionated buffoon, and that we can continue to enjoy your comedic value, but I do have doubts.....

Re: Hypothetical RTC with a moped : Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:49 pm  

I suspect that his work is not actually done, despite what he wished.

Re: Hypothetical RTC with a moped : Wed Nov 27, 2013 12:46 pm  

JerryChicken wrote:

Can I just throw three pennoth in ?

Humans have a field of vision that is ALMOST 180 degrees, get someone to test yours, its actually quite surprising what you can see to the side of you, I already know what both of my eyes are like for field of vision because I have it tested by my doctor every six months, but a simple test such as getting someone to approach from behind and then holding your hand up when you can see then should surprise you.

Further to that, your vision is also alerted more by moving objects, its an animal instinct sort of thing.

It is, and it's not just your "vision", as such; what happens is that such messages from your eyes, as well as going to the part of your brain that gives you pictures, also go DIRECT to your brain's "fight and flight" centre so that picks up sudden movements first; that is, we are made so that any sudden movement is picked up by the fight/flight system BEFORE you "see" it, so you can react to it quicker, and so that the dedicated self-preservation centre of your brain gets its own dedicated signal so it can decide how you react to it. Otherwise, you would have to wait until your visual cortex had worked out what it was seeing, and worked out a plan to deal with it.

Was a brilliant documentary about this a few months back. They discovered that a person who after brain surgery, no longer had any physical sight in one eye, (but still a working eye, just nowhere to send the visual signals to) could still "know" when objects moved across a computer screen. It turned out that he just "knew" when something moved across the screen as it was immediately detected in the f&F centre.

JerryChicken wrote:

So, a moped approaching your car from behind won't be visible to you yet, but if you turn your head even just slightly then your 180 degree field should pick them up easily, especially if they are deviating from a static location in relation to your eye, in other words they are pulling out to overtake and moving across you field of vision.

Agreed, if there is appreciable relative movement. But bear in mind they may just be keeping pace with you and thus not "moving" relative to you, so not as easy to pick up as a moving object.

JerryChicken wrote:

What we really need is an almost 360 degree field like some birds do.

Aye, I often think Mrs. A. has got eyes in the back of her head!

Re: Hypothetical RTC with a moped : Wed Nov 27, 2013 12:55 pm  

rumpelstiltskin wrote:

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