Sir Tony : Sun Jan 02, 2022 1:03 pm  

Seems Labours great leader is getting some pushback for his Knighthood. https://www.change.org/p/the-prime-mini ... -rescinded

Seems Labours great leader is getting some pushback for his Knighthood. https://www.change.org/p/the-prime-mini ... -rescinded

Re: Sir Tony : Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:08 pm  

wire-quin wrote: Seems Labours great leader is getting some pushback for his Knighthood. https://www.change.org/p/the-prime-mini ... -rescinded All and any of Blairs good work was undone by his decision to go to war with The Americans in the Middle East. The WMD's are still to be found and the power vacuum left in the region is/was far worse than tyrannical leaders that were ousted. I dont think he will ever be forgiven.

wire-quin wrote: Seems Labours great leader is getting some pushback for his Knighthood. https://www.change.org/p/the-prime-mini ... -rescinded All and any of Blairs good work was undone by his decision to go to war with The Americans in the Middle East. The WMD's are still to be found and the power vacuum left in the region is/was far worse than tyrannical leaders that were ousted. I dont think he will ever be forgiven.

Re: Sir Tony : Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:54 pm  

Is there no barbers where he lives?

[Mild Rover]

Re: Sir Tony : Mon Jan 03, 2022 11:39 am  

Going into Afghanistan behind behind the Bush administration and without a plan was a mistake… but after 9/11 and with the Taliban sheltering bin Laden, it was a pretty much a politically inevitable mistake.

Iraq could and should have been avoided. Saddam Hussein was horrible piece of faeces (although the circumstances that allowed his rise to power were largely created by botched British ‘nation building’), but the spurious justifications and predictable failures hugely taint Blair’s legacy. As do his embrace of the excesses of financialisation of the economy associated with the 2008 crash and stuff like standing godfather to one of Murdoch’s progeny.

As for his knighthood, it is pretty much up with the rations for ex-PMs. I only went back as far as Wilson, but he Heath, Callaghan, Thatcher and Major all got KGs too. I wouldn’t be surprised if Brown, Cameron, May and Johnson get them in time. The whole system needs reforming and perhaps updating to get rid of the callbacks to the language of feudalism.

Re: Sir Tony : Wed Jan 05, 2022 9:41 am  

People can say what they want about Blair and the Iraq conflict, but I thought he did a good job trying to solve the problems in Northern Ireland sorting out the IRA if that's the right wording.

Re: Sir Tony : Sun Jan 09, 2022 12:04 pm  

Over 100,000 unnecessary Iraqi deaths and thousands of coalition deaths caused by this odious man. All thanks to his fake government dossier. Just goes to show the high levels of corruption in high British society. Disgraceful decision.

Re: Sir Tony : Sun Jan 09, 2022 2:43 pm  

MatthewTrin wrote:

Over 100,000 unnecessary Iraqi deaths and thousands of coalition deaths caused by this odious man. All thanks to his fake government dossier. Just goes to show the high levels of corruption in high British society. Disgraceful decision.

And how many more unnecessary Iraqi deaths might there have been because of that despot Hussain if the Americans and British had not stepped in, the Americans want to police the world we are not such a force nowadays and should not have got involved in it, Blair justified this by lying unfortunately the consequences of war meant many British armed forces died because of this, are you looking at loss of life in humanitarian terms or in the loss of life from our armed forces, just interested in your agenda that's all.

Re: Sir Tony : Sun Jan 09, 2022 7:18 pm  

chissitt wrote:

And how many more unnecessary Iraqi deaths might there have been because of that despot Hussain if the Americans and British had not stepped in, the Americans want to police the world we are not such a force nowadays and should not have got involved in it, Blair justified this by lying unfortunately the consequences of war meant many British armed forces died because of this, are you looking at loss of life in humanitarian terms or in the loss of life from our armed forces, just interested in your agenda that's all.

Well fortunately for us armed personnel was far lower than that of the Iraqis. It looks like Iraq's excess deaths over the occupation period were calculated to be over 600,000. So by that number alone they'd have been better off with Hussain in charge. For me personally it was a tragic loss of life on both sides - equally as sad.

Blairs governments justification was not originally regime change until it came apparent WMD development was false. Regardless of how a country is run I would never support an invasion of a foreign nation. Neither Britain or the United States own planet earth as much as they'd like to think they do. So glad I was against that war at the time as I naively was in favour of Britain's earlier invasion of Afghanistan. I think the governments real reason for the invasion of Iraq was their desire to privatise Iraq's oil production and nothing else. This reason does not justify the loss of life.

Re: Sir Tony : Sun Jan 09, 2022 7:43 pm  

What about Britain’s invasion of Australia and Northern Ireland, amongst many others

Re: Sir Tony : Sun Jan 09, 2022 8:23 pm  

Let us not forget that the only thing stopping Cameron going to war in Syria with the USA was a vote against it and him in Parliament.