Re: Coalition For Marriage : Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:26 am  

Standee wrote: No, it's THE most trivial thing in the world, because it's between a fantacist and a sky pixie, the most important relationship you have is between you and your wife and family, maybe you should put as much effort into your personal relationships as you to do your hatred of other people. You are about as Christian as Hitler was Jewish. Now your on to something. Yesterday channel 7's breakfast show, Sunrise, supported Marriage equality. Today well we all know whats coming... http://www.getup.org.au/campaigns/marri ... e-equality

Standee wrote: No, it's THE most trivial thing in the world, because it's between a fantacist and a sky pixie, the most important relationship you have is between you and your wife and family, maybe you should put as much effort into your personal relationships as you to do your hatred of other people. You are about as Christian as Hitler was Jewish. Now your on to something. Yesterday channel 7's breakfast show, Sunrise, supported Marriage equality. Today well we all know whats coming... http://www.getup.org.au/campaigns/marri ... e-equality

Re: Coalition For Marriage : Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:30 am  

kirkstaller wrote:

You ask what happens if we do nothing wrong. This is impossible. The Bible tells us that we ALL fall short of God's mark. I'd like to see an example of someone who has lived a sin-free life (except Jesus of course )

Your god falls short of my mark on many occasions.

Your god sits by and watches poverty, famine, disease and war in his name bring death, disfigurement and wretchedness to billions of people, all of whom were apparently made by him in his own image.

Your god goes to the trouble of creating new life within a woman only to see that new life unable to sustain itself outside the womb due to a spectacular lack of attention paid by him during its creation, and he tells those of you who have the benefit of his spoken word inside your head that its a trial for the parents to forbear - thats just pure evil.

Your god goes to the trouble of creating new life only to afflict it with a life threatening disease in its early years and he removes that young life from millions of proud and happy parents every year, then during their absolute grief tells them via people like yourself that its just something they'll have to live with and can get over it by loving him instead - thats just pure evil.

I don't think you're following a good, loving, caring sort of god at all, I think you're following the devil.

Re: Coalition For Marriage : Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:33 am  

Mac you write plenty of good posts, but that is still one of your best.

Re: Coalition For Marriage : Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:35 am  

Standee wrote:

No, it's THE most trivial thing in the world, because it's between a fantacist and a sky pixie, the most important relationship you have is between you and your wife and family, maybe you should put as much effort into your personal relationships as you to do your hatred of other people.

Their book shows them that this isn't the case, they would gladly kill their own flesh and blood at gods command.

What was poor Isaac thinking as Abraham held the knife at his throat. Some Creator.

Re: Coalition For Marriage : Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:48 am  

All getting a tad rabid now. I think we've all got the gist of both sides of the argument.

Re: Coalition For Marriage : Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:31 am  

ryano wrote:

All getting a tad rabid now. I think we've all got the gist of both sides of the argument.

It started getting 'a tad rabid' 101 pages ago with the OP. Why would you expect it to stop now.

McF sums it up perfectly.

Either Kirkstaller's god is not ominpresent, omniscient and omnipotent or.....


...he's the most rabid b#stard of all.

Re: Coalition For Marriage : Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:37 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

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I take it these are the questions you keep rabbitting on about?

So, if I understand Kirkstaller's latest comedic efforts, it's like this:

Some guy grabs a hold of the Ark, as one of the oxen stumbles. Presumably wanting the thing not to fall and be damaged.

This gets God mad. Kirkstaller does not explain why sych a selfless act could reasonably annoy anyone, let alone a God, who of course knows why the guy is selflessly trying to avoid damage to this here Ark.

Despite having always know this guy would choose to do that, God loses his temper. Odd, that. Especially for a God.

And he is so annoyed that he smites the poor bugger dead. Kirkstaller does not explain on what possible basis a just God would lose his temper over someone trying to be helpful, let alone end their life.

So presumably, having killed the guy, God then immediately has to forgive him, and off to Heaven he goes? Or was this minor act sufficient to send the guy to the flames of eternal hell?

It was an act of great blasphemy. The Bible tells us there is a heaven and a hell. Where do you think he ended up?

And finally, as a catchall safeguard, even if (or maybe because) he can't explain any of this, kirkstaller falls back on the weird claim that God can't murder people. He can't? Thought he was supposed to be omnipotent?

Not physically impotent, it's more about the definition of murder. Murder can only be committed by people. Like I said earlier, you would label a shark, a tarantula or prostate cancer a murderer. Murder has only ever existed between men, since Cain and Abel in fact.

If you say he is not omnipotent due to this, then I wish to remind you that true omnipotence would allow God to overcome logical and definitional paradoxes.

Come on kirkstaller, let us have the benefit of your reasoning here. Pack in the one liners, and Cantona-esque rejoinders like "it's not murder because sharks are not murderers", and at leats try to make a coherent explanation of your crackers point that if god murders you, it isn't murder. Or are you saying God is an orca, and can't help it?

See above. Good luck on trying to secure that conviction on spontaneous human combustion.

[Wanderer]

Re: Coalition For Marriage : Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:58 pm  

1000-post limit passed. Thread locked.

I'll let the thread contributors decide if there should be a CFM 2 thread.