Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:35 am  

Zoo Zoo Boom wrote:

How many people went into hospital with other conditions - caught Covid in hospital and died?

I know its heresy but the NHS has not covered itself in glory when dealing with the pandemic - good job we protected it - otherwise it could have been complete carnage.

The idea that nurses - the majority of which had no involvement with Covid deserve a 12.5% pay increase is bonkers. That's unions for you - barely in touch with reality.

I've heard estimates on the TV/Radio (GMB/BBC Radio 4) between 20 to 25% caught it on NHS hospital wards. Appreciate if anyone could share the information where this has been officially acknowledged.

Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:39 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

So, what conclusions should anyone draw from your figures ?

They're not "my" figures. I'm posting the official data.
Conclusions - that would be for an independent panel with no conflicts of interest to decide.

Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Mon Mar 08, 2021 12:22 pm  

MatthewTrin wrote:

They're not "my" figures. I'm posting the official data.
Conclusions - that would be for an independent panel with no conflicts of interest to decide.

So, why post them in relation to a "vaccine guinea pig" thread. Surely you have a reason or, was it a random act on your behalf ?

Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Mon Mar 08, 2021 1:22 pm  

MatthewTrin wrote:

They're not "my" figures. I'm posting the official data.
Conclusions - that would be for an independent panel with no conflicts of interest to decide.

yes they are your figures as the link don't show what you've posted, clever why of getting around it

[Durham Giant]

Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Mon Mar 08, 2021 1:54 pm  

MatthewTrin wrote: Source material below https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details ... me=England https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... anuary2021 https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details ... me=England https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details ... me=England https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... ndandwales https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/s ... ly-deaths/ For the poster referring to "long covid" please provide official NHS, UK Gov or ONS data to back up your claims or this could be deemed as spreading misinformation on the board. As you are well aware very little research on the long term affects of Covid exists because we have only being dealing with Covid for 12 months so not really possible to evidence the long term effect. It is the same as saying their is no evidence that Brett Hodgson will be beneficial to HULLS development . What we do know is that people with Covid are being diagnosed with irreversible lung damage. One study suggests up to 10% of those infected. Not those who have died but 10% of all infected including younger people who fall outside your sick and elderly deaths stats. The effect in them in the long term will not be known for 5 10 or 20 years. But any Dr will tell you if you have permanent lung damage whatever the cause your prognosis and life expectancy is reduced in the long term https://www.ouh.nhs.uk/covid-19/news/ar ... px?id=1431 https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-con ... t-20490351 https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02598-6

MatthewTrin wrote: Source material below https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details ... me=England https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... anuary2021 https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details ... me=England https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details ... me=England https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... ndandwales https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/s ... ly-deaths/ For the poster referring to "long covid" please provide official NHS, UK Gov or ONS data to back up your claims or this could be deemed as spreading misinformation on the board. As you are well aware very little research on the long term affects of Covid exists because we have only being dealing with Covid for 12 months so not really possible to evidence the long term effect. It is the same as saying their is no evidence that Brett Hodgson will be beneficial to HULLS development . What we do know is that people with Covid are being diagnosed with irreversible lung damage. One study suggests up to 10% of those infected. Not those who have died but 10% of all infected including younger people who fall outside your sick and elderly deaths stats. The effect in them in the long term will not be known for 5 10 or 20 years. But any Dr will tell you if you have permanent lung damage whatever the cause your prognosis and life expectancy is reduced in the long term https://www.ouh.nhs.uk/covid-19/news/ar ... px?id=1431 https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-con ... t-20490351 https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02598-6

Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Mon Mar 08, 2021 7:17 pm  

Durham Giant wrote: As you are well aware very little research on the long term affects of Covid exists because we have only being dealing with Covid for 12 months so not really possible to evidence the long term effect. It is the same as saying their is no evidence that Brett Hodgson will be beneficial to HULLS development . What we do know is that people with Covid are being diagnosed with irreversible lung damage. One study suggests up to 10% of those infected. Not those who have died but 10% of all infected including younger people who fall outside your sick and elderly deaths stats. The effect in them in the long term will not be known for 5 10 or 20 years. But any Dr will tell you if you have permanent lung damage whatever the cause your prognosis and life expectancy is reduced in the long term https://www.ouh.nhs.uk/covid-19/news/ar ... px?id=1431 https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-con ... t-20490351 https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02598-6 Thanks for sharing. Yes I've read about reports on "long covid" but without hard official data it's difficult to quantify the medium to long term impact on the overall population. For those with poor health it's not going to help matters but for someone like Novak Djokovic he's still in peak fitness... https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/ ... ur-fallout https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/56147443 Links included for those that can't use Google It stands to reason all diseases, bone breakages, operations & respiratory viruses must have a negative impact on a number of people's health. Take even the Flu for example https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-17497-6 https://www.today.com/health/man-needs- ... lu-t169952 The affects of covid certainly need measuring on the human body; a check of increased hospital treatment post infection would be a good place to start. I'll get onto searching for the NHS hospital / treatment data when I find the spare time.

Durham Giant wrote: As you are well aware very little research on the long term affects of Covid exists because we have only being dealing with Covid for 12 months so not really possible to evidence the long term effect. It is the same as saying their is no evidence that Brett Hodgson will be beneficial to HULLS development . What we do know is that people with Covid are being diagnosed with irreversible lung damage. One study suggests up to 10% of those infected. Not those who have died but 10% of all infected including younger people who fall outside your sick and elderly deaths stats. The effect in them in the long term will not be known for 5 10 or 20 years. But any Dr will tell you if you have permanent lung damage whatever the cause your prognosis and life expectancy is reduced in the long term https://www.ouh.nhs.uk/covid-19/news/ar ... px?id=1431 https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-con ... t-20490351 https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02598-6 Thanks for sharing. Yes I've read about reports on "long covid" but without hard official data it's difficult to quantify the medium to long term impact on the overall population. For those with poor health it's not going to help matters but for someone like Novak Djokovic he's still in peak fitness... https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/ ... ur-fallout https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/56147443 Links included for those that can't use Google It stands to reason all diseases, bone breakages, operations & respiratory viruses must have a negative impact on a number of people's health. Take even the Flu for example https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-17497-6 https://www.today.com/health/man-needs- ... lu-t169952 The affects of covid certainly need measuring on the human body; a check of increased hospital treatment post infection would be a good place to start. I'll get onto searching for the NHS hospital / treatment data when I find the spare time.

Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Mon Mar 08, 2021 7:21 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

So, why post them in relation to a "vaccine guinea pig" thread. Surely you have a reason or, was it a random act on your behalf ?

I'm here to inform by providing facts that you never hear being quoted on the BBC or Sky News. The Sin Bin can become a bit of an echo chamber at times. I'm researching the Vaccine data and will provide my findings in due time.

Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Mon Mar 08, 2021 8:21 pm  

Zoo Zoo Boom wrote:

How many people went into hospital with other conditions - caught Covid in hospital and died?

I know its heresy but the NHS has not covered itself in glory when dealing with the pandemic - good job we protected it - otherwise it could have been complete carnage.

The idea that nurses - the majority of which had no involvement with Covid deserve a 12.5% pay increase is bonkers. That's unions for you - barely in touch with reality.

Squeeze healthcare budgets to the core for a decade.
Come a pandemic which you deal with utterly incompetently, exclaim fury that the system you've driven into the ground doesn't work as well as it might.
Conclusion: more cutbacks and real wage decreases for you lot. That'll learn 'em .

To think you accuse other people of living on a different planet. The party you apparently vote for over and over are the people who have run the system for 11 years now. Constantly holding the wrong people responsible is quite some achievement.

[Bullseye]

Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:18 pm  

The Ghost of '99 wrote:

Squeeze healthcare budgets to the core for a decade.
Come a pandemic which you deal with utterly incompetently, exclaim fury that the system you've driven into the ground doesn't work as well as it might.
Conclusion: more cutbacks and real wage decreases for you lot. That'll learn 'em .

Re: Vaccine Guinea Pig : Tue Mar 09, 2021 3:03 pm  

Zoo Zoo Boom wrote:

How many people went into hospital with other conditions - caught Covid in hospital and died?

I know its heresy but the NHS has not covered itself in glory when dealing with the pandemic - good job we protected it - otherwise it could have been complete carnage.

The idea that nurses - the majority of which had no involvement with Covid deserve a 12.5% pay increase is bonkers. That's unions for you - barely in touch with reality.

Yes, a massive failing by Boris Johnson, Matt Hancock, and the NHS Trust Management