And they were educated privately, were they, and only by other teachers who were educated privately, etc etc etc?

Since you're not in the UK ...



Do you know what local taxes pay for and what national taxes pay for? In the UK, that is.







Yes. You want to be rewarded for being better off than other people.







More than one poster here has explained this to you.

Right now i earn nowhere near enough to pay for a child so i am working towards it and in 3 years hopefully i will be able to afford it. I believe my brothers education for high school (most expensive years) was around 27,000 pounds so i know not everybody could afford that (like me) and they are the people who will not receive the tax breaks but in effect they are paying for the children's education but at a subsidize rate. Personally i think its a fair system people pay for what they can afford.



same with the national insurance i am not saying people who have health insurance shouldn't pay it because nobody knows what the future has in hold for them but for the time you have health insurance you should pay a lower rate as you don't take from that system.



I guess my way of looking at is purchasing i guess. I wouldn't buy a house with somebody and pay 100k whilst they only pay 50k but we receive 50% equity each.

You'll find that in the UK even if you have private health insurance (and few pay for it themselves as it is ridiculously high, my last quote was £99 per month just to cover myself), then you will still use the NHS facilities if you are ill.



For instance you will still be assigned to an NHS GP who will be your first port of call if you are ill, if required he will then refer you and its at that point that you can choose your private provider.



For instance, if you are hit by a bus this afternoon then no private provider will send a paramedic or ambulance to scrape you out from under its wheels for they don't exist, its not a profitable service for them to provide - the NHS would attend to you and only when you are well enough would you be moved to your private provider.



Or as a final for instance if you are in the situation that a friend of mine was and you discover that unfortunately you have a brain tumour then you would be referred to the top practitioner in the city who works in one of our NHS hospitals and when you mention that you have BUPA cover he will inform you that he has a clinic at BUPA once a week and that he can either see you now or you can wait until Friday and he'll see you there - my friend chose to see him there and then, as you would if you had a brain tumour.



Truth is that on many occasions the private health providers leach off the NHS.

Yeah you are right about the Private health and like i said the more i think about it the more I think you should have to make a contribution but you should also be rewarded if you take out private health insurance or work for a company that will provide it. The last time i remember going to the doctors in the uk was for the simple reason of being referred to the private hospital. Im not saying all my opinions are bulletproof or even thought out to be put in practice because i know they never will be, but my own self beliefs are you shouldn't rely on others if you can provide it for yourself.

My father lived in Spain for a while and at that time (not sure now) they had a two tier system, the state provision was very basic hospital facilities and his Spanish friends assured him that no-one in employment would ever use them, they all had insurance - he had cause to use the private clinic towards the end of his life and paid for it himself and found it to be on par with the private facilities here.



I think the UK has the balance correct where our state provisions are often (despite what politicians tell you) world leaders in their field and the private insurers will often use NHS facilities simply because the private hospitals will offer better hotel facilities but often not better medical care, indeed as in my example, its often NHS consultants operating one day a week in the private hospitals - a friend of mine who is an anesthetist does the same.



That is only possible of course by ALL of us contributing and not opting out.

Well that won't work.



I think all education spending represents 12% of UK government expenditure. Therefore 12% of the tax you pay would go toward this spending. Is 12% of your income tax enough to fund a private education?



I earn a high salary and 12% of the tax I pay [iin a year[/i would not come close to funding a term let alone a year of private schooling.



And of course if I was given this rather small sum of money as a tax rebate to put toward school fees it would mean less in the pot for those who would have to rely on state education, which is the vast majority.



That is the good thing about progressive taxation. It makes money available to provide services such as education the wider population could not afford that we all benefit from. In this case an educated population.



If you want your contribution back I suggest you work out just how much that would be and then consider if receiving that small amount of money would be a morally acceptable position to take given the impact this would have if we all took that money out of the pot.



Will you be telling us next you want the proportion of tax you pay to the NHS back because so far in your life you have not needed the services of a heart surgeon for example and don't see why you should pay anything towards the cost of those who do?

Before starting work in the nursery school my wife was a temp at the Nuffield hospital in Chester. On more than one occasion while she was there people in for surgery such as wisdom teeth being removed ended up being carted off in an NHS ambulance to the Countess of Chester NHS hospital when complications developed.



They simply do not have the facilities to treat the more chronic conditions or to deal with complications arising. Why anyone would actually go there in the first place when this can happen is beyond me.

They just don't have the workload is the answer.



They don't have the workload because no-one buys private health insurance unless its provided by their employer, and the days when that was considered a "perk" are long gone.



So with diminishing patients they don't make the investment in equipment or staff (because they have to make a profit and investment is profit that is diverted) and the staff that they do provide are often NHS consultants on their day off.



They do hotel services very good though.



I'm with you, I can't imagine why I'd ever want to take Aviva up on their monthly offer to me.

just an incident that happened with a cousin of mine, He had two in ingrown toe nails whilst waiting for the operation to have them removed (3months originally) they became infected no matter what he did he couldn't stop it from happening. So he got moved up the waiting list whilst not being able to work all in the mean time because he had serious troubles with walking. Two weeks before he is due the op he had a check up and they found he was a carrier of MRSA so it was another 2months before he could have the operation, so all in all 6months of not working earning less money than if he was still working in the end they had to send him to a private hospital (i think somewhere in runshaw) because the toes had become septic and he was very close to losing his 2 big toes because of the NHS. So yeah i will stick to private health care.



Also Davo o i never mentioned the taxes will cover the expense of private school but it will help with the tuition fees for the parents that wish to send there children to private schools. If not wanting to pay for everybody else in life makes you selfish then I'm 100 percent fully selfish but in reality I'm not because i wont make choices i can't afford.

While my wife was there it was over a Christmas period and at least one old dear booked herself in for the Christmas period. Happened every year apparently. So yes, the hotel description fits.

So what would happen if say, in the next 12 months, you develop a condition (or have an accident) that prevents you working ever again? How will you then fund your day to day subsistence, let alone any treatment you may need?

My insurance will cover it and if not i will become dependent on my family like most people around the world who don't have an NHS or benefits to support them. Also i said in a previous post that you should pay some contribution just in case you ever do become dependent for treatment.

And if you didn't have family - like lots of disabled adults who have never been able to work and whose parents have died?

and then they are the people who truly need help. I never said don't pay taxes at all and let every body fend for them selves.

However, you have said that you want a reward for having a job that pays a lot more than most people.



A reward, that is, beyond having a job that pays a lot more than most people are able to earn.

What the NHS does very well is priorities cases so if you are referred to a surgery for ingrowing toe nails then to be honest if its a minor case then your local GP will do them (ours did one for my daughter), if its more complicated then presumably you'll be referred but even then you won't be rushed into hospital on a blue light and seen to that very day - which you might possibly be able to arrange with a private health provider.



Are you sure he couldn't work with ingrowing toenails, was he bed-bound for all this time - I'm starting to sound like Ian Duncan Smith now.



Anyway, the extra two months tagged on at the end for MRSA are understandable and would happen whether or not he went private so he didn't really "nearly lose his big toes because of the NHS" did he - what happened was that toe nail surgery is a low priority and then he was delayed further because they didn't want him closing a whole ward with his MRSA - not really a case study for persuading me to take up the £99 a month offer from Aviva for private medical insurance.

he couldn't put pressure on the toes or they would ooz green puss and black blood he wasn't bed bound but could hardly work a factory. they was extremely infected due to the amount of time he had to wait. He was on a morphine drip when they admitted him they was very close to being amputated. And it was because of the NHS if he had private health care he would of been seen and dealt with very quickly like i was with my last problem. He didn't pay for being admitted to a private hospital either. He contracted MRSA whilst having check ups in wigan general.



Less than a 1000 pound is a bargain to make sure you can be seen straight away for no matter how major or minor surgery.

Did I? i am sure i said reward people for not relying on government completely.

Yes.



So you want to be rewarded for having a job that pays you a great deal more than the average wage in the UK.

What i earn isn't exactly a great amount. But it would be nice for people who generally work their off not to be punished for earning more than others.



God i love Dubai.

What you earn is, on the basis of what you have suggested here, considerably more than the average UK income of £26,000 per annum.



You are suggesting, by implication, that anyone who doesn't earn that is not – in general – working as hard as you. So for instance, the hospital cleaner and the bin man are, after all, just lazy berks compared to you. Obviously.



You're falling for a classic idea that pay is based on how hard one works. It's not.



Paying for the education of others, via tax, is not being "punished".



And in terms of Dubai, thank goodness that you live in and benefit from a place where nobody (except the terminally lazy, obviously) lives in grinding poverty and something near to servitude, eh?



Incidentally, I note that you have not responded to Cod'ead's comment: were you personally educated in a private school?

I earn just over 30,000 obviously that is tax free but living costs are considerably higher here. Where i have gave off the opinion i earn more than that i have no idea.



and no you are coming to your own conclusions mate. People who work but only earn minimum wage have my full respect because there is ways of earning that money with out working. How is me saying people who don't depend on the government deserve some kind of reward saying that minimum wage earns aren't hard workers? Unless you just implying you only earn money if you work hard.



Of course it is, how is it not? the money you earn providing for others? how is taking a considerable amount of money from somebody not punishing them? Majority of the time high tax rates effect middle class people who aren't rich but earn enough to feel comfortable but they still have mortgages and can't pay for the children to have a better education.



maybe you should research on how the government works or even spend some time here to realize 8 out of 10 people here are generally better of than they would be in there home country. There is some local arabs who are not rich and get the benefits from the government such as food and help with there bills, but other nationalities don't get give a passport and in turn don't get a free ride. you either contribute here or you're gone.



I went through private schooling up until the age of 13 and then i went to a public high school but whilst i was at high school my dad was paying in excess of 60,000 pounds in tax so i think he would cover the minimal cost it cost to send me to public school. But i have poor grammar as i have dyslexia not that any of this had anything to do with you.



Anyway lads when is the next protest in favor for Labour happening?

Go easy Minty.

I'm starting to feel sorry for him.

It's not a fair contest.