Re: School Girl Stabbed in Birmingham : Mon Mar 11, 2013 5:24 pm  

kirkstaller wrote:

He definitely does love us because we are alive instead of being dead. You ought to thank him for every second he keeps you alive for.

What you're talking about is being a coward.

'I 'love' god because if I didn't he might do nasty things to me'.

Pity he didn't do the odd nasty thing to murderers and child abusers – a little heart attack here, a stroke there. Nobody'd need to know: wouldn't ruin your need for 'faith'.

Instead, however, by your logic, your god created those things: every single murder of act of child rape that has happened since the beginning of time, according you your logic, your god created that. He sat down in his big design studio and decided that, on X day in X place, that child would be raped.

That, by your own terms, is the reality: that the god you worship in such cowardly fashion is himself, by your own words and logic, a bully, a murderer, a rapist, a child abuser, a genocidal maniac, a warmonger, a coward – and much, much more.

That's the god that you choose to worship – although according to your own logic, you didn't choose that at all: he chose it when he created the world. It didn't matter what you did – you didn't have any choice in the matter. He'd already decided the year, the day, the hour, the minute at which you'd 'decide' to worship him. He chose that you'd worship him – and that a 16-year-old girl would be murdered on a bus in Birmingham by a mentally ill individual.

He decided every one of the sins you'd commit before you made your 'choice' to worship him' – and every one of the sins you'd commit after. He'd decided exactly what degree of guilt you'd feel. He'd decided the entire content of this thread – right down to every crossed t and dotted i.

And that's by your logic.

And still you claim, with the logic of your own belief system, that you – and everybody else – has a choice.

Re: School Girl Stabbed in Birmingham : Mon Mar 11, 2013 5:33 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

I see. God personally controls every single subatomic particle. No wonder he's too busy to stop innocent schoolgirls being knifed to death.

He's never 'too busy'. He controls everything and obviously had no interest in stopping the girl's death because she deserved it. We all do, we all deserve to die.

This is my point. Anyone who planned that death is really, truly, unambiguously and definitely not worth "following", let alone worshipping. If god had indeed planned her death then he is a murderer too.

Murder can only be committed by human beings. Therefore, God, who is all good and righteous, cannot commit a human sin.

No, it couldn't be more straightforward. You worship a murdering scumbag with no thought for the immense grief and pain which his quixotic psychopathic tendencies brings to his "creations".

No, I worship a God who righteously punishes evil and who loves me so much he made it possible for me to escape his judgement.

So god thought, "I'll vent my righteous wrath on a disobedient people" by arranging for a lunatic to stab an innocent schoolgirl to death. Just that one. None of her mates, or the rest of the school population.

God has planned everyone's demise. Why single out this girl's?

If you cannot see the lunacy of this proposition, then you really are beyond help. Your logic circuits are FUBAR. Your head isn't working any more.

You simply cannot accept that God HAS to punish sin, including yours. You are trying to escape judgement. This is not possible.

Yes, he can, since (by defintion) he ignores at least 99.9% of all sin, if we are all sinners, yet none of us apart from a tiny percentage meet this righteous wrath.

No, we all meet his wrath. Me might not all be stabbed on a bus but we get what is coming - death.

Yet serendipitously picks on a random young girl and her family and friends, and plans her death in the most sensless and cruel way.

There's nothing random about it, God planned it before the beginning of time.

Death is cruel.

Even if you accepted the proposition that he "cannot ignore sin", why would he not start by exercising his righteous wrath on those rather more deserving?

Every sinner will truly get what is coming to them in Hell, according to their works.

Re: School Girl Stabbed in Birmingham : Mon Mar 11, 2013 5:40 pm  

kirkstaller wrote:

He's never 'too busy'. He controls everything and obviously had no interest in stopping the girl's death because she deserved it...

That's it. You've gone too far.

Almost every thread that you start or get involved with degenerates into this.

I or one of the mods will either have to clean up after this explosion of shît or let it go. Because what you've said is pretty much beyond the pale. There's little between you and the Taliban and their ilk.

And I am not having the victim of an appalling case such as this abused by you, whether you're mentally ill yourself or whether you're just trolling.

You're on a week's ban from this place. Try and learn something from it.

The rest of you – stick to the case itself, please. This part of the conversation is over.

Re: School Girl Stabbed in Birmingham : Mon Mar 11, 2013 8:31 pm  

Interesting that the OP hasn't been seen for an age but is posting on his central heating comfort zone thread

Re: School Girl Stabbed in Birmingham : Mon Mar 11, 2013 9:39 pm  

Mintball wrote:

There's little between you and the Taliban and their ilk.

Biblical literalists are very similar to Islamists. There is a really interesting book called A Fury For God, written post 9/11 which highlights just how similar the two extremes are in their approach to religious belief and the way in which they express it (although the book is written more for an American context and there are a lot of Biblical literalists in the States of course). However, not all Christians are Biblical literalists just as not all Muslims are the Taliban.

Re: School Girl Stabbed in Birmingham : Tue Mar 12, 2013 8:28 am  

SaintsFan wrote:

... However, not all Christians are Biblical literalists just as not all Muslims are the Taliban.

Indeed. Unfortunately, those that are tend to shout the loudest.

Re: School Girl Stabbed in Birmingham : Tue Mar 12, 2013 6:25 pm  

kirkstaller wrote:

He's never 'too busy'. He controls everything and obviously had no interest in stopping the girl's death because she deserved it. We all do, we all deserve to die.

I just can't. You are the worst kind of person and I wish Hell was a real place because any sort of higher being with an ounce of common sense would see you as true evil and not any of these promiscuous individuals/homosexuals/voodoo practisers/tattooees/people wearing mixed fabrics/shellfish eaters and all the others deemed to be sinners in the jazzed up storybook

Re: School Girl Stabbed in Birmingham : Tue Mar 12, 2013 6:47 pm  

the cal train wrote:

I just can't. You are the worst kind of person and I wish Hell was a real place because any sort of higher being with an ounce of common sense would see you as true evil and not any of these promiscuous individuals/homosexuals/voodoo practisers/tattooees/people wearing mixed fabrics/shellfish eaters and all the others deemed to be sinners in the jazzed up storybook

~polite cough~

I did say that that was the end of the discussion on this level.

Re: School Girl Stabbed in Birmingham : Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:40 pm  

Mintball wrote:

~polite cough~

I did say that that was the end of the discussion on this level.

apologies, my blood had already boiled before I saw you'd posted after him

Re: School Girl Stabbed in Birmingham : Wed Mar 13, 2013 8:21 am  

I entirely understand.