I go from being sad, amazed, frustrated, astounded and dwon right livid. That someone can hold such abhorrently bigoted views as the OP and have various public forums and not be held to account my the establishment for those abhorrent and bigoted views is beyond me.



Imagine if I started a crusade to say all vegetarians were evil sinners and shouldn't be affored the same rights as "normal" people, how long owuld I last.



One thing it has made me realise is that the continuing influence of people like the Archhatwearer of F'Whittery and the place of any religous zealot in the Lords need serously looking at, they are imply not capable of rationaal though.



"why do you believe that" "because the great sky pixie told me, 37th hand, in a set of instructions written by people a minimum of 60 years after the 'events' and translated from many different tongues" "no, I asked why do YOU believe that, not why does your God believe it." "I'm sorry, I'm incapable of independent thought based on available facts, pass the loaves and fishes (and the wine and the choirister, there's a good chap".



bat lunacy, as has been said many times.

I wouldn't mind if we didn't have to fun them as well.

That's fair. Even given my own personal experience, I've had moments when this thread has also made me angry and, indeed, seen my jaw hit the floor.







Which of course raises (again) the entire question of why society as a whole seems to regard faith in such a positive light. I confess, I really don't know the answer to that.

I think that funning them might actually help.

Ah, the Harry Enfield sketch, you muddy funster

...the funniest part being when the Christian organisations speak of this country being anti-Christian and of increasing criticism of their organisations in media and by the public.



Durrr!



They've not exactly covered themselves in glory these past couple of decades, especially the Catholic orders and they still expect to get good PR "just because" ???

Just thinking: I really thought that, in the last year or so, I'd calmed down on the subject of religion as my own life moved further on from that aspect.



But this has actually reminded me of what makes me so angry – and why I'm right to feel that anger.

it's the sancatmoniousness of it all that gets me, self righteous bunch of w@nkers that see no error in their ways of bigotry and hate, they turn a blind eye when their priests molest kids, they promote rape and murder so long as it "pleases god", they were behind barbaric witch trials in the middle ages, what single positive thing has religion brought the world, they can't even claim to have fostered great learning or art, as it was bought by their paymasters to appease the venegful "god".



introduce me to a "christian" and I will show you Nick Griffin, with a handbook amd a get out clause.

Strong booze in the Hull FC bars this evening.

Oh, and as Anakin Skwalker has taught us, "s" is perfectly acceptable.

Peonies at Chelsea.



More of (fictional) god's beauty than I reckon kirkstaller has ever seen.

But not "folk".

I am puzzled as why to believing in something either without evidence or in the face of disconfirming evidence is seen as virtuous by so many people.