Re: Cross & Burgess... Get us out of here : Thu Jun 16, 2011 5:16 pm  

finglas wrote:

Disagree, burgess loaned out frees up cap space. He could be brought back if needed. Him and Cross out ensures space is there to bring someone in in an area where more cover is needed. Given the long-term injuries and Seniors age I reckon a centre is probably in the offing. Either that or the Carnegie relegation means a tighteningg of belts if they want to keep together the guts of a squad that can get promotion.

I would be very concerned if we are tightening our belts to secure a ru team that has about 2 fans and will never take off.

Re: Cross & Burgess... Get us out of here : Thu Jun 16, 2011 5:20 pm  

Andy Gilder wrote:

If Luke Burgess wants to go to Australia and isn't really that bothered about whether he plays in the NRL or in some semi-pro lower grade, what's to stop him (visa conditions not withstanding)?

Irrespective of whether Leeds have or haven't offered him a new deal or not, in the age of freedom of contract all the leverage lies with the player. If he decides the grass is greener somewhere else, there's sod all the club can do about it once his contract is up.

I can't see how anyone can seriously argue that isn't the case?

What we've got here is two players on the fringes of the first team who have been told they can go elsewhere to get first team rugby. Excuse me if I don't regard it as some major disaster from which the club will never recover.

Agree with the last paragraph. Well put my only concern would be if mac has made these decisions and will be here next year

Re: Cross & Burgess... Get us out of here : Thu Jun 16, 2011 5:25 pm  

Some Quins fans held the view that if for any reason a player crossed Mac they'd be out. Despite living with a Quins fan I was never convinced of the argument, but I'm afraid this does convince me.

TS & Bluey seemed to be able to manage players who'd declared their intentions to move to other clubs in SL, NRL and even the other code. Ellis, Scruton and Smith come to mind and we won grand finals with them playing their final game as Rhinos.

I don't have strong views about Cross going (Mac seemed to make it clear from day 1 he wasn't keen on the signing) but Burgess going out on loan is ridiculous and just provides more evidence that Mac isn't up to the job as Head coach.

Perhaps Burgess can blow up and burst a rubber glove in one breath and Mac hasn't mastered the art yet!

Re: Cross & Burgess... Get us out of here : Thu Jun 16, 2011 5:29 pm  

I think burgess leaving is dissapointing but it has been on the cards for a long time, don't really see why he has to be loaned out, should easily be in the 4 top
Props at our club

Re: Cross & Burgess... Get us out of here : Thu Jun 16, 2011 5:39 pm  

It appears as though we are trying to free up cap space for this season, which either means we've got a signing lined up or somebody has messed up and we run the risk of going over the salary cap if both Burgess & Cross continue to play.

Or it's terrible man management.

If it's a signing it better be good to risk this kind of disruption, although it's been obvious that there's been something with Cross for a while.

Re: Cross & Burgess... Get us out of here : Thu Jun 16, 2011 5:45 pm  

If i was to guess... Terrible man management.

Re: Cross & Burgess... Get us out of here : Thu Jun 16, 2011 5:52 pm  

Essex Rhino wrote:

Some Quins fans held the view that if for any reason a player crossed Mac they'd be out. Despite living with a Quins fan I was never convinced of the argument, but I'm afraid this does convince me.

TS & Bluey seemed to be able to manage players who'd declared their intentions to move to other clubs in SL, NRL and even the other code. Ellis, Scruton and Smith come to mind and we won grand finals with them playing their final game as Rhinos.

I don't have strong views about Cross going (Mac seemed to make it clear from day 1 he wasn't keen on the signing) but Burgess going out on loan is ridiculous and just provides more evidence that Mac isn't up to the job as Head coach.

Perhaps Burgess can blow up and burst a rubber glove in one breath and Mac hasn't mastered the art yet!

Don't think it proves anything without knowing the facts of what has happened

I'm yet to be convinced that BM is the right man for Leeds but I find it hard to see how you can lay all the blame on BM...read and contrast the quotes on Burgess and Cross - seems pretty clear to me that Burgess has thrown his toys out of the pram:

On Cross

GH wrote:

“He has been a model professional,"

“I empathise with his frustration, which has been caused in part by Jamie Peacock’s earlier than expected return to the first team and the outstanding form of some of our other front-row forwards."

BM wrote:

"Ben Cross has been a pleasure to coach. At no stage has the situation of him not playing been a problem on a professional level."

“His conduct and the way he has carried himself is something he should be proud of.”

On Burgess:

GH wrote:

“Luke is upset he has not been in the team,”

“He made it known he is not happy and, as a result, he wanted to go somewhere else.

“We have therefore agreed to make him available to go out on loan until the end of the season to another Super League club,"

“We consider that to be a pretty fair response. I know the coaching staff are very disappointed with Luke’s reaction to being left out and, as a result, this is how we are prepared to deal with it.”

BM wrote:

“We are disappointed Luke wants to leave, but his desire to play every single week is not realistic at Leeds Rhinos at his stage of his career.”

Re: Cross & Burgess... Get us out of here : Thu Jun 16, 2011 6:12 pm  

this is worrying. With Kylie 33 and JP nearly 34 you'd think next year will probably be their last. Which means unless Amor & Ambler seriously step up, we will have only Bailey (then 29) in 2013. Biff & Bailey you would imagine as having been the 'pack leaders' by then. Personally I don't see who we'll be signing to fill the gap. Crabtree or Mason from Huddersfield wouldn't be bad signings. Adam Blair from Melbourne would be fantastic, but i doubt we'd get him.

Re: Cross & Burgess... Get us out of here : Thu Jun 16, 2011 6:19 pm  

Tyke's/Rhinos No. 1 Fan wrote:

this is worrying. With Kylie 33 and JP nearly 34 you'd think next year will probably be their last. Which means unless Amor & Ambler seriously step up, we will have only Bailey (then 29) in 2013. Biff & Bailey you would imagine as having been the 'pack leaders' by then. Personally I don't see who we'll be signing to fill the gap. Crabtree or Mason from Huddersfield wouldn't be bad signings. Adam Blair from Melbourne would be fantastic, but i doubt we'd get him.

The names being banded about on here and other furums seem to be Chase,Griffin and Lynch which probably means none of them with be joining us

Re: Cross & Burgess... Get us out of here : Thu Jun 16, 2011 6:42 pm  

cheekydiddles wrote:

The names being banded about on here and other furums seem to be Chase,Griffin and Lynch which probably means none of them with be joining us

i would hope not either