: Tue Apr 14, 2009 9:54 am  

rpw wrote:

:lol: no-one is saying that at all, you are making argument out of nothing.

Yes you are. Particularly in translating the recent poor form as being down to player quality and requiring the replacement of playing personnel.

: Tue Apr 14, 2009 9:56 am  

Richie wrote:

Is it not strong enough or not playing well enough? Player for player, we certainly had the squad capable of beating those teams.
Look at Saints squad depth. They beat us with their equivalent of JJB playing scrum half.

Both. Squad not strong enough or playing well enough. Bradford are a spent force, no disrspect but Salford are pretty poor and we should have had enough at present to beat them both no doubt. BUT like i say when you take into account we're out of the cup lost the wcc, beaten well by saints twice you've got to say the team aint good enough as well. The coach can only do so much if the players he has aint quite ready for week in week out SL (in the case of watkins ben jones bish, hall) or good enough.

: Tue Apr 14, 2009 9:59 am  

Richie wrote:

Yes you are. Particularly in translating the recent poor form as being down to player quality and requiring the replacement of playing personnel.

Well I'm certainley not. And have said no such thing as Mclennan or GH out etc etc or that we have a god given right to win all the time.

: Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:02 am  

rhinoms wrote:

I think we may still have to wait for any signing to be made for a number of reason's.
A.We have been implicated in the guardian article re-the image right's investigation.
B. We have a number of player's off-contract this year so until any negotiation's are complete we won't have a clear figure of how much cap space is actually available.
C. The south stand needs re-building and in the current financial climate i'm we'll need every penny available although the carnegie team confirming promotion may help raise some of the funding.
There's plenty to consider when we call for a new signing here and there and the fact we haven't sent the full cap doesn't fully cover why we should have more than enough to spend on player's imo.
These are testing times and many of us remeber the "dark days" and whilst i fully accept that these performance's are worrying and not good enough we have to support the team and get behind the player's we do have rather than screaming for new one's!

Dont forget we still have our saviours of Manning and Brown to come in. No Problems.


Regards


rhinoms.

: Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:04 am  

rpw wrote:

Both. Squad not strong enough or playing well enough. Bradford are a spent force, no disrspect but Salford are pretty poor and we should have had enough at present to beat them both no doubt. BUT like i say when you take into account we're out of the cup lost the wcc, beaten well by saints twice you've got to say the team aint good enough as well. The coach can only do so much if the players he has aint quite ready for week in week out SL (in the case of watkins ben jones bish, hall) or good enough.

If you compare us player by player against Saints, are they really better than us? Remember they beat us last time by playing the equivalent of JJB at scrum half. How many of their back line would you take over ours?
Signing a couple more players isn't the answer. Far from it.

Re: Peter Smith : Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:04 am  

rpw wrote: Good match report and he's bang on with the weakness in the squad. http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/l ... iclepage=1 Spot on reporting. Makes a change to read a report of a game and recognise it as one you've been at.

rpw wrote: Good match report and he's bang on with the weakness in the squad. http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/l ... iclepage=1 Spot on reporting. Makes a change to read a report of a game and recognise it as one you've been at.

: Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:05 am  

DISA wrote:

Dont forget we still have our saviours of Manning and Brown to come in. No Problems.


Regards


rhinoms.

Quality response!!!
Where did i say we have our saviour's in them???
I said they'd play this year and that imo they'll be good enough to step up!
Just out of interest did you watch them play at all??

: Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:06 am  

Richie wrote:

But we're Leeds and we're the best and we deserve to always win and we deserve to have all the best players and we deserve to always win because we're the best. GH hasn't a clue. He should be sacked immediately, because we're Leeds and we're the best and we deserve to always win and we deserve to have all the best players and we deserve to always win because we're the best.

: Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:09 am  

Richie wrote:

Seemingly so. But is that because they aren't good enough as individuals, and would it be fixed by the signing of someone else to join them?

Our attacking play this year has been woeful across the whole 13 on the pitch. Blaming individual backs would not be accurate or fair, but the lack of a cutting edge in certain areas of the field is causing us severe difficulties. There is a lot of argument about one player not being able to change a bad side into a good side, true. But one or two players of quality just where you need them can make a huge difference to a team that's already got a core of class players struggling with the options around them.
Innability to threaten on attack gives opposition teams confidence and puts pressure on the defence. We have a defence that has struggled with the amount of work it's had to do in the wrong areas of the field and has as such conceded some very soft tries through lack of concentration rather than good attacking play by the opposition.
These things creep up on you, it happens to other teams, it just seems to be our turn this year so far. I'm not sure we can rectify it now.

: Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:14 am  

rhinoms wrote:

Quality response!!!
Where did i say we have our saviour's in them???
I said they'd play this year and that imo they'll be good enough to step up!
Just out of interest did you watch them play at all??

You actually said we had great squad depth with players like this to come in and cover.

Yes, seen them play, and doubt either of them will play for Leeds first team ever, and certainly not up to covering as of now. We see new players joining the squad for preseason every year, and they go by the wayside. I don't look too much at exceptions, for me, if you are not raising headlines at 17 lets look at the next crop.