[Kosh]

Re: carvell : Fri Feb 07, 2014 12:14 pm  

domthebull wrote:

As for Tupe - like has been said he can cancel contract but as proven previously, we will be backed up when attempts to transfer his registration are made. You will get him but it wont be for nothing.

The RFL are nothing if not inconsistent. You might be surprised by what they might and might not 'back up' - as we've found to our cost before. And in any case, paying a fee for Carvell wouldn't be an issue.

domthebull wrote:

Whatever Mcdonnell has been paid off will still count against cap

Not necessarily. Have a read of the cap rules - there are plenty of ways to get around this.

[Kosh]

Re: carvell : Fri Feb 07, 2014 12:18 pm  

hullbg wrote: I was under the assumption that if they never played they would be exempt from the cap..... however having read your point and nipping to check the rules and prove you woefully wrong, i hit a snag. http://www.therfl.co.uk/the-rfl/rules/i ... section=E1 E1:3:1 Also if this was allowed, it could/would mean a very simple way to work around the cap. That just defines 'players'. You need to look at the parts which calculate cap value, and the parts dealing with player contracts. There are ways and means to offset part or all of the cap value when a player leaves, depending on when, why, and how it happens. In fact there are now so many clauses and exemptions to the cap it basically boils down to whatever you can convince the cap panel to allow.

hullbg wrote: I was under the assumption that if they never played they would be exempt from the cap..... however having read your point and nipping to check the rules and prove you woefully wrong, i hit a snag. http://www.therfl.co.uk/the-rfl/rules/i ... section=E1 E1:3:1 Also if this was allowed, it could/would mean a very simple way to work around the cap. That just defines 'players'. You need to look at the parts which calculate cap value, and the parts dealing with player contracts. There are ways and means to offset part or all of the cap value when a player leaves, depending on when, why, and how it happens. In fact there are now so many clauses and exemptions to the cap it basically boils down to whatever you can convince the cap panel to allow.

Re: carvell : Fri Feb 07, 2014 12:22 pm  

Just let him go.

Re: carvell : Fri Feb 07, 2014 12:54 pm  

Shown no respect to the club, the fans and most of all his colleagues and fellow proffesionals. http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/s ... long_game/

Shown no respect to the club, the fans and most of all his colleagues and fellow proffesionals. http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/s ... long_game/

Re: carvell : Fri Feb 07, 2014 1:31 pm  

Folk do what they want. Let him go and get on with the job.

Re: carvell : Fri Feb 07, 2014 2:03 pm  

If you think that Bradford have never tapped up a player you are deluded, all clubs do it.

Re: carvell : Fri Feb 07, 2014 2:16 pm  

Your lot have vultured around clubs over the years...you took radders & vaikona off us many moons ago.

Re: carvell : Fri Feb 07, 2014 2:21 pm  

Think this dispute will only end one way and its going to be a particularly nasty one I'd guess at the moment.

The TUPE laws might cover the contractual side, but as Garreth knows full well from his previous time at Hull FC, its the registration document with the RFL that is important...

I wonder if he fully remembers signing the last contract with Hull FC under duress before his agent told him to withdraw it, only to discover he couldn't due to it being registered at Red Hall? Amazing how that has not been mentioned in any of the posts I've read.

I also wonder if he'll remember being told that he'd end up rotting in the reserves until nobody had room in the cap unless someone forked out a transfer fee? Again something that has conveniently been missed off.

Finally, I wonder if Garreth will remember turning up to the recent fans photoshoot at Odsal 2days after the transfer of club assets to the newco? He certainly seemed quite happy then wearing all his Bulls kit proudly I would have surely thought that someone unhappy in their employment and potentially in dispute would have given that kind of thing a miss???

Or perhaps its just the fact that Andy Clarke fancied another payday like he did with various other players???

Either way, I hope for the sake of both clubs this is resolved quickly so that we can all move on to more important business.

Roll on next week

Re: carvell : Fri Feb 07, 2014 2:40 pm  

madasmcmadammcmad2 wrote: ============================================================================= We have lost most of our young talent,lost half our sky money,can't sell enough season tickets,in administration for fun,we have a loan shark's axe hanging over our heads,our new signing wants away before he's made a tackle,we have just been slaughtered in two pre season games killing stone dead any optimism,we have the most uninspiring squad of players that I can ever remember.......... I could have chosen almost anyone from the past and they would be an improvement on what's occurring right now.At least Jack Bates was Northern through and through and was there sat in the stand with rest of us for years and years. We are a joke at present and that's a fact. We have lost most of our young talent? I wouldn't call Bateman, Whitehead and Naughton MOST of our young talent... what about Addy, Olbison, Donaldson, O Brian, Roberts, Wood and Mellor??? Lost half our sky money... yep but nothing this lot can do about that. Can't sell enough season tickets... can you actually remember the average crowds at Odsal in the 80's and early 90's??? I can and some weren't even half of what we get now!!! Check here... http://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/matches/Custom/MzMtLS0tLTU3LS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0t it might remind you. In administration for fun??? So that's twice then... i'll remind the wife that "fun" now equates to just two occasions we have a loan shark's axe hanging over our heads??? Really??? Do we??? I thought loan sharks were highly illegal and would come round and break your legs for not paying up??? Oh, you mean reputable and licenced loan companies then, eh??? Our new signing wants away before he's made a tackle? He deserves to be sacked if he failed to make a tackle on his debut again Hull FC three weeks ago... surprised they even want him if that was the case We have just been slaughtered in two pre season games killing stone dead any optimism. If you expected us to beat Rams with the squad we had on the day then so be it... Cas I can't complain with you there. We have the most uninspiring squad of players that I can ever remember??? Where have you been since 2006???

madasmcmadammcmad2 wrote: ============================================================================= We have lost most of our young talent,lost half our sky money,can't sell enough season tickets,in administration for fun,we have a loan shark's axe hanging over our heads,our new signing wants away before he's made a tackle,we have just been slaughtered in two pre season games killing stone dead any optimism,we have the most uninspiring squad of players that I can ever remember.......... I could have chosen almost anyone from the past and they would be an improvement on what's occurring right now.At least Jack Bates was Northern through and through and was there sat in the stand with rest of us for years and years. We are a joke at present and that's a fact. We have lost most of our young talent? I wouldn't call Bateman, Whitehead and Naughton MOST of our young talent... what about Addy, Olbison, Donaldson, O Brian, Roberts, Wood and Mellor??? Lost half our sky money... yep but nothing this lot can do about that. Can't sell enough season tickets... can you actually remember the average crowds at Odsal in the 80's and early 90's??? I can and some weren't even half of what we get now!!! Check here... http://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/matches/Custom/MzMtLS0tLTU3LS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0t it might remind you. In administration for fun??? So that's twice then... i'll remind the wife that "fun" now equates to just two occasions we have a loan shark's axe hanging over our heads??? Really??? Do we??? I thought loan sharks were highly illegal and would come round and break your legs for not paying up??? Oh, you mean reputable and licenced loan companies then, eh??? Our new signing wants away before he's made a tackle? He deserves to be sacked if he failed to make a tackle on his debut again Hull FC three weeks ago... surprised they even want him if that was the case We have just been slaughtered in two pre season games killing stone dead any optimism. If you expected us to beat Rams with the squad we had on the day then so be it... Cas I can't complain with you there. We have the most uninspiring squad of players that I can ever remember??? Where have you been since 2006???

Re: carvell : Fri Feb 07, 2014 5:35 pm  

Just slightly OT a little but I noticed today that the Bulls are actually employing someone on their coaching staff who is also a player agent, possibly with the same company as the said agent in this saga???

Could be something or nothing but it stinks that potentially more players and coaches are involved in this poop stirring than first meets the eye!!!