Re: All time greatest Hull FC team No.s 2 & 5 - The Wingers : Wed Jan 28, 2015 8:46 pm  

I also think that Stone is a bad omission from this list. Granted we only have his scoring stats but another indication of a players quality are representative honours and how they compared with their contemporaries. Stone was an international and a GB tourist so even allowing for the selectors to get it wrong, some leading figures in the game must have rated him as one of the very best available. Perhaps we should expand the nomination list to 8. The problem is selecting the second winger - Clive Sullivan is miles in front of everyone else as he combines world class quality with long service to the club. Who else we pick really depends on how much emphasis you decide to give to quality of play against the length of time it was given. Is 2 years of genius better than 5 very good years or 10 above average ones?

Re: All time greatest Hull FC team No.s 2 & 5 - The Wingers : Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:18 pm  

Is someone having a laugh putting Raynor in???

Really?

No doubt someone on here will have a meltdown should Cooke or Schoey get picked.

Surely the Paul Sterling story makes him a better candidate then the one i'd like to post an insult about

Re: All time greatest Hull FC team No.s 2 & 5 - The Wingers : Wed Jan 28, 2015 11:23 pm  

frepneyboy wrote:

Is someone having a laugh putting Raynor in???

Really?

No doubt someone on here will have a meltdown should Cooke or Schoey get picked.

Surely the Paul Sterling story makes him a better candidate then the one i'd like to post an insult about

Read through the thread again. the list of nominees is a summary of the main names put forward by everyone who has posted. they are not necessarily my choices. this stage of the thread is for cases to be made for players to be taken out and replaced by others but must be backed up with a decent argument, as knockersbump has done. if you want raynor taken off then make out a case for it - based entirely on playing ability and achievements

Re: All time greatest Hull FC team No.s 2 & 5 - The Wingers : Wed Jan 28, 2015 11:28 pm  

OK i have a proposal to remove Watts and replace him with Stone. i have had 2 shouts for this. alternatively i could replace Raynor with Stone.

Harrison, Ryan, Sullivan and O'Hara are all solid on the list so far. Does anyone want to keep watts or raynor on the list?

Re: All time greatest Hull FC team No.s 2 & 5 - The Wingers : Wed Jan 28, 2015 11:32 pm  

Keep them all in - 5 fullbacks in the vote, so a few more wingers, perhaps.

Re: All time greatest Hull FC team No.s 2 & 5 - The Wingers : Thu Jan 29, 2015 2:19 am  

Erik the not red wrote:

Who else we pick really depends on how much emphasis you decide to give to quality of play against the length of time it was given. Is 2 years of genius better than 5 very good years or 10 above average ones?

You raise a very interesting point and question here. May be answered sooner but will be very interesting when we reach scrum-half!

Re: All time greatest Hull FC team No.s 2 & 5 - The Wingers : Thu Jan 29, 2015 7:40 am  

This idea is an enthralling one and well done for introducing it of course its all a matter of opinion as the term Greatest player can be interpreted differently by different people

I guess for me Stone and Watts is perhaps one for debate, I never saw Stone play but that's not the issue really, but those who saw Ivor play will I think agree that Watts and Raynor is absolutely no contest. Raynor had all the attributes needed I agree but Watts was the master of the mazy run and often his tries were not just walk in's or foot races but he would cut inside and then beat 4 or five players with steps and swerves before going over, low centre of gravity and close to the ground in a time when a lot of players ran bolt upright! However of course it's all subjective really !

Re: All time greatest Hull FC team No.s 2 & 5 - The Wingers : Thu Jan 29, 2015 12:06 pm  

And it's whether you personally enjoyed watching these players. Sometimes the technically best player isn't necessarily the one you remember. I'd probably have Colin Best in there just because of his flair. I just enjoyed watching the game more when he was playing.
Mick Crane is my hero but could you have him in in front of Knocker? If the winger debate is interesting the loose forward one will be something else!

Re: All time greatest Hull FC team No.s 2 & 5 - The Wingers : Thu Jan 29, 2015 12:20 pm  

ChrisH wrote:

And it's whether you personally enjoyed watching these players. Sometimes the technically best player isn't necessarily the one you remember. I'd probably have Colin Best in there just because of his flair. I just enjoyed watching the game more when he was playing.
Mick Crane is my hero but could you have him in in front of Knocker? If the winger debate is interesting the loose forward one will be something else!

the LF and scrum half debates are the ones i'm looking forward to, but theres great debate in all the positions

Re: All time greatest Hull FC team No.s 2 & 5 - The Wingers : Thu Jan 29, 2015 6:22 pm  

The Dentist Wilf wrote:

This idea is an enthralling one and well done for introducing it of course its all a matter of opinion as the term Greatest player can be interpreted differently by different people

I guess for me Stone and Watts is perhaps one for debate, I never saw Stone play but that's not the issue really, but those who saw Ivor play will I think agree that Watts and Raynor is absolutely no contest. Raynor had all the attributes needed I agree but Watts was the master of the mazy run and often his tries were not just walk in's or foot races but he would cut inside and then beat 4 or five players with steps and swerves before going over, low centre of gravity and close to the ground in a time when a lot of players ran bolt upright! However of course it's all subjective really !

The issue I have with Watts in the final list is that firstly he isn't international level amongst his peers, he also was in a side that were at the very top for quite a few years yet he couldn't bag any rep honours (Cumberland aside).
That's a sentimental viewpoint.
I'm sure he did mazy runs, all wingers do, then again memory usually leaves us with the great stuff and not the mundane. Sorry but Watts scoring record isn't good enough in what was a top team for quite a few years he was in it and he also wasn't good enough for full international rep..he should be dropped from the final list.